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Old 05-24-2013, 12:27 PM   #21
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Well I will try hard to find open places in Los Angeles with no traffic lol
You don't have to.

There is clearly no magic formula (i.e. you must follow this procedure and do it exactly X number number of times).

Mix up your driving habits in terms of how you accelerate.
Put your foot to the floor from a standing start on a regular basis.
That's all...
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:55 PM   #22
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I've driven manuals since the first car I drove, a 1962 Chevy Biscayne. In 1965. So I can appeal to authority too. And I assert there is a much in common in feel and sound between a DCT and a standard shift, like the little chattering when going slowly up garage ramps, sounds and feels traditional autos don't have.

I think we're talking about different reasons for disliking the trans and I think you're observations don't negate mine, they're compatible. However I find the DCT as responsive as recent traditional automatics I owned; a 5 speed auto that was in my 2005 CTS and a 6 speed of my 2007 Edge. I like the DCT.
I am not really feeling the same thing as a manual transmission 100%. Like I said I have driven a slew of manuals, cars from 30's up to present day,, not that I am not that old but my family and friends owned Antique cars and etc, 3 speed on the column, floor, 4 speed, 5 speed and etc. Even driven a 13 speed flat bed truck once upon a time, prior to the CDL days.

The noise I heard in all typically was the linkage, between shifts, gear chatter and etc. Nothing compares to the DCT grinding that persists, that is last for 15 to 30 seconds after gear changes, the only thing that comes close would be the shuddering if you launched in too high a gear in a manual, but I can easily choose my gears with the DCT in D mode it assumes the gear change is ready at too low and RPM and speed. The hopping and lunging after gear changes, that is a bump in RPM then a delay and the car jumps in gear is not something I would feel in a manual unless I did not know how to drive one.

That's what's messed up, poor software and algorithms. Face it the DCT is one complex beast and not only is it mechatronics, it's all controlled by software that is buggy at best.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:36 PM   #23
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Well Tubeway my car doesn't make the grinding, hopping and lunging you describe so we're not talking common experience. I see why you're disenchanted.
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Well Tubeway my car doesn't make the grinding, hopping and lunging you describe so we're not talking common experience. I see why you're disenchanted.
Mine was smooth until it hit 50 miles or so. If it reacted this way on the test drive I would have ended up in another vehicle...too bad that did not happen in retrospect.



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That's what's messed up, poor software and algorithms. Face it the DCT is one complex beast and not only is it mechatronics, it's all controlled by software that is buggy at best.
In the case of the DCT, the "gearbox" itself is very reliable (based on everything that I've read in these forums).
The issues are primarily with the clutches themselves (mechanical), clutch engagement (firmware) and in some cases gear selection (firmware).
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Old 05-25-2013, 06:23 PM   #26
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I just drove the whole week shifting manually more aggressively then the computer does, upshift and down shifting.After my three day episode of going into neutral(5 speed auto mode only)its humming like a sewing machine right now...Obviously not conclusive and may mean nothing at all but I'm leaning toward the fact that this tranny does like it "rough" as it were.I was wondering today,this adaptive learning software could there one for regular "D" mode and one for sport?Curious because of the 8000 miles on the car, being in sport(auto) mode would only account for about 2% of that and I was just wondering if its still "learning".... lol
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...and I was just wondering if its still "learning"
Yes, it must always "learn" because clutches do wear.

The TCM always monitors engine speed and transmission input shaft speed so it can determine the amount of clutch "slippage" and adjust accordingly.
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Yes, it must always "learn" because clutches do wear.

The TCM always monitors engine speed and transmission input shaft speed so it can determine the amount of clutch "slippage" and adjust accordingly.
Wear didnt occur to me.So in theory,just thinking out loud,"if" there is separate programming for different modes and one went extended periods without using it the parameters it had stored could be out of sync with the new conditions perhaps..

I've been using it more and its acting fine at the moment.I'll continue to do so and see what happens.
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Mines at 30,000kms. I find that there's a big difference in smoothness when using premium fuel driving slower. Each time I go back to regular I notice it is a bit jerkier. I also find performance at higher speeds better with premium fuel- no noticeable difference in any of my other cars but with the focus its definitely noticeable.
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I've noticed that my 2012 SEL definitely likes to be reved above 2,000 RPMs especially if I'm pulling out of a side street.
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