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Old 04-16-2013, 06:13 PM   #91
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Rumor was the Roush S/c was real but didn't run because they had no way to tune it. Once SCT or injected release tuning things may change.
I would imagine that Roush doesn't need SCT or Injected to tune the Focus, because they work with ford doing power train calibrations already. They basically worked directly with SVT on the GT500s as well afaik. So there is a chance that it could have worked, but it wasn't a viable solution at the time as it would cost more than the ST which they also had a hand in testing, or so the fleet of them out at the Allen Park Facilites for Roush would indicate to me.

Just a thought, I interviewed with the engine calibration guys, but ended up going in a different direction/ group after moving on from doing design work and into Engineering/Engineering design.

I don't know how deeply the ties go with Ford, but its pretty strong between Roush and Ford.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:50 PM   #92
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Wow...glad to see this thread is still going! I was psyched to get on yesterday (after a long hiatus...no money mo problems) and see a tuning option may be available in the future! 200 WHP here I come!
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Mechanically I believe the transmission and even the clutches could handle stock ST horsepower and torque if you do not drag race the hell out of it (the torque would be the main issue with the clutches), but because of the horrid shifting strategies programmed into the ECU for the DCT, there is NO WAY. You will burn the clutches up because the solenoid actuation of the clutches is currently not firm enough and too slow. They will slip and burn up.
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With the thought that the clutch packs could slip, you could just put that in the tune to decrease boost/power in the first gear or so (ala throttle maps from the MS3). If we just could get access to the TPS maps... it may not add much power but the response off the start could get awesome.
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Mechanically I believe the transmission and even the clutches could handle stock ST horsepower and torque if you do not drag race the hell out of it (the torque would be the main issue with the clutches), but because of the horrid shifting strategies programmed into the ECU for the DCT, there is NO WAY. You will burn the clutches up because the solenoid actuation of the clutches is currently not firm enough and too slow. They will slip and burn up.
Yea, but this would occur with no tune. If a tune for the DCT becomes available that would allow you to adjust shift points, this wouldn't be a problem right?
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Yea, but this would occur with no tune. If a tune for the DCT becomes available that would allow you to adjust shift points, this wouldn't be a problem right?
Who knows? They don't build em like they use to. And while I like how the DCT is smooth, it doesn't shift hard for when you wanna get on it and go like a normal car. The next car I buy will be a manual, never an automatic again!!! People are soo lazy nowadays, and here is a prime example. And yes I counted to see just how many were manuals. Out of driving 70 Nissan Jukes, only 4 were manual. Even the GT-R "Americas Skyline" only comes in automatic with paddle shifters. My overall conclusion is the auto industry is perfecting designs and then building them with the cheapest parts to reduce cost and increase profit by being able to say its sophisticated and proven but the garbage won't last. Companies like Nissan, Lexus, Mercedes, Toyota are taking the fun out of the driving with these stupid sport-shift transmissions.

Maybe if people had to shift gears instead of just mashing the gas they wouldn't be able to talk on cell phones as much while they drive.
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With the thought that the clutch packs could slip, you could just put that in the tune to decrease boost/power in the first gear or so (ala throttle maps from the MS3). If we just could get access to the TPS maps... it may not add much power but the response off the start could get awesome.
Not entirely true. First gear isn't the problem gear, all of the gears are. The clutch(es) are the issue. Think of it like a manual trans. When people start adding big power on a stock clutch it will start to slip, no matter the gear. no matter what, the clutch packs will have to be replaced with stronger units. Just like on any manual trans car with power.
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idk what you guys are talking about.... the ST has the exact same motor, the exact same heads....
yes the exhaust, intake, injectors and of course the turbo are different.
but if you go to the parts guy at you're Ford dealership and ask him for everything you will need to put a ST turbo on you're car it will cost a little over $5,200 is what the parts guy told me as long as i can do my owen exhaust.
but i know the Turbos are on back order right know cuz i had to replace one last week in the shop and it took 4 weeks for us to get one.

but anyways you can do it, its not worth it but you can do it. i would wait for a 3rd party to make a kit.
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idk what you guys are talking about.... the ST has the exact same motor, the exact same heads....
yes the exhaust, intake, injectors and of course the turbo are different.
but if you go to the parts guy at you're Ford dealership and ask him for everything you will need to put a ST turbo on you're car it will cost a little over $5,200 is what the parts guy told me as long as i can do my owen exhaust.
but i know the Turbos are on back order right know cuz i had to replace one last week in the shop and it took 4 weeks for us to get one.

but anyways you can do it, its not worth it but you can do it. i would wait for a 3rd party to make a kit.
Seems like there are st owners waiting for an adapter bracket for new turbo because the manifold is cast into the head. So more must be different
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idk what you guys are talking about.... the ST has the exact same motor, the exact same heads....
yes the exhaust, intake, injectors and of course the turbo are different.
but if you go to the parts guy at you're Ford dealership and ask him for everything you will need to put a ST turbo on you're car it will cost a little over $5,200 is what the parts guy told me as long as i can do my owen exhaust.
but i know the Turbos are on back order right know cuz i had to replace one last week in the shop and it took 4 weeks for us to get one.

but anyways you can do it, its not worth it but you can do it. i would wait for a 3rd party to make a kit.
The rotating assembly AND head are different on the ST. Along with the parts you listed. Only downside to stock ST stuff is the turbo cost lol.

I agree with you though, 3rd party will be better anyway
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