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Old 03-09-2013, 02:39 PM   #811
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you're upset because you found 8-10% reduction when a lab found 3%?
NO, I am upset because I found an 8-10% reduction, and I don't care what the labs found, because I don't live in a lab. My ignorance, as astounding as it is, is only matched by your gullibility.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:44 PM   #812
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ok so around my area 87 E10 and 87 E0 are about 0.30C apart.
89 and 92 E0 are also available..seems its a rare thing reading thru past post on hear....

the one place the has E85 is only about 0.10 to 0.30 cents cheaper then E10 so that's a lose-lose set up.....even with a 14/1 N\A compression engine

well excluding the AMPM that i really think adds more then 10% to the gas so i don't go there.
i need to get a test tube so i really know how much is in the gas.
as im WAY sick of replacing carb kits on saws and fire pumps.

any way, rounding numbers lets see..

$4.00 a gal for E0 and 35 mpg = $11.42 to go 100 miles...or 11.42 cents per mile.

$3.70 a gal for E10 and 32 mpg = $11.56 to go 100 miles...or 11.56 cents per mile.



so to make it work you need to gane about 3 mpg at a 0.30 cent difference.
10% of 30 is 3 so its a simigen better then brake even to run E0 if you gane 8% or better mpg with a 0.30 cent price difference.

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Old 03-18-2013, 10:47 AM   #813
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I've noticed that I've gotten good results with Shell. But alas, no completely ethanol free stations near me.
Same here... I use Shell almost exclusively in my Mk3. Never used to buy Shell at all (BP seemed best in my old Mazda 626) but after a bit of testing it seems to be the most consistent in this car.

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For me, the best MPG gains on Shell V-Power come when driving in a hyper-mile fashion. With the good gas you can get away with lighter throttle inputs and still have good driveability and thus greater MPG. With more aggressive throttle inputs and driving the MPG difference between the grades diminishes. Also with positive, not vague or light, throttle inputs the driveability on 87 is fine.
This has also been my experience. I've pulled 42 and 45 MPG on nearly-all-highway trips running 93.
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This may be slightly unrelated but ive been running e85 for my last few tanks and havent noticed many Ill effects. Mpg drop of 4-9, and a slight decrease in pickup under wot but no check engine light. Only decided to since e85 is roughly $1 cheaper per gallon than gas. The price outweighs the mpg drop.
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hey i just filled up with e0 (no ethanol) unleaded from Royal. Online it said Liberty had 93 octane e0 but they only had unleaded, so i tried going to Royal and same thing so i just filled up with 87 octane e0 to give it a try. I was getting 320 miles to the tank with 93 octane e10 before.
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hey i just filled up with e0 (no ethanol) unleaded from Royal. Online it said Liberty had 93 octane e0 but they only had unleaded, so i tried going to Royal and same thing so i just filled up with 87 octane e0 to give it a try. I was getting 320 miles to the tank with 93 octane e10 before.
All motor fuel should be unleaded these days, if you were to buy leaded fuel you'd destroy your emissions control equipment.
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Old 03-25-2013, 06:32 AM   #817
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everyone knows what i meant.
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so far I think the 87octane e0 has helped a lot with mpg!
I am regularly getting 320 per tank previously using 93 octane e10 from Shell. After filling up with 87octane e0 my computer read a "distance to e" of 480 miles. (unfortunately the places on the website saying they had 93 octane e0 - they didn't - only 87octane e0)
I have gone through just over half the tank so far (same driving habits) and so far i've driven 220 miles on the tank and the computer reads "distance to e" of 140, so that's about 360 miles per tank. I think the reasons it read 480 to start was because 1: i recently had a cpu re-flash (however I went through 2 tanks of 93oct before getting the 87oct e0), and 2: it was the first time i filled up on e0 (87oct).
Regardless, It has definately improved my fuel efficiency a lot. 40 extra miles is a lot considering my driving habits (I drive like a Russian going to buy vodka haha)

edit: I went to Liberty and Royal in Harrisonburg, VA - which listed on the website carries e0 87-93 octanes, however they both only had e0 in 87octane. I filled up at Royal and the price was $3.55. I live in Fairfax, VA so there is no e0 gas stations nearby so when I went to Harrisonburg I had to do it!
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so far I think the 87octane e0 has helped a lot with mpg!
I am regularly getting 320 per tank previously using 93 octane e10 from Shell. After filling up with 87octane e0 my computer read a "distance to e" of 480 miles. (unfortunately the places on the website saying they had 93 octane e0 - they didn't - only 87octane e0)
I have gone through just over half the tank so far (same driving habits) and so far i've driven 220 miles on the tank and the computer reads "distance to e" of 140, so that's about 360 miles per tank. I think the reasons it read 480 to start was because 1: i recently had a cpu re-flash (however I went through 2 tanks of 93oct before getting the 87oct e0), and 2: it was the first time i filled up on e0 (87oct).
Regardless, It has definately improved my fuel efficiency a lot. 40 extra miles is a lot considering my driving habits (I drive like a Russian going to buy vodka haha)

edit: I went to Liberty and Royal in Harrisonburg, VA - which listed on the website carries e0 87-93 octanes, however they both only had e0 in 87octane. I filled up at Royal and the price was $3.55. I live in Fairfax, VA so there is no e0 gas stations nearby so when I went to Harrisonburg I had to do it!
I've seen other posts, You ARE Russian. So, are most of your focus miles trips to the store to buy vodka? It would seem that there's a joke to be had about you making trips to avoid ethanol in your tank and at the same time resupply it for your stomach!
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I've seen other posts, You ARE Russian. So, are most of your focus miles trips to the store to buy vodka? It would seem that there's a joke to be had about you making trips to avoid ethanol in your tank and at the same time resupply it for your stomach!
hah! good point :)

But in all seriousness I was pass through H-burg anyways. By the way, I didn't notice too much difference between the 87oct e0 and the 97oct e10 but I will say that the power difference of 87oct e0 vs. 87oct e10 was the same or better than 97oct e10. I'm definately getting much better mpg's too.
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