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Old 02-27-2013, 02:56 AM   #31
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You are very much correct!! I have a lot of work to do on my lovely car. I love it so I'm gonna do my best to keep her in the best condition possible. And of course I care about my life and the safety of others as well. Its just the type of person I am. I pretty much try to do as much as I can afford (as I have plenty of bills, payments, etc). Step one: Matching tires. To be honest, it was mismatched when I purchased the car. I just noticed it wasn't the same size as the others about 3 or 4 days ago. ):
In a pinch, you can always get one tire to replace the tire that is the incorrect size. That's certainly far better than having mismatched tire sizes, as that can be unsafe. If the other three tires on the car are all the same size and the same brand and model, then just purchase one tire to match those other three. Keep in mind too that tires can differ in their speed ratings. There is a P195/60R-15 with an S, T, H and V speed rating. The size of the tire is the same between the different speed ratings, but the handling can be very much different between them. So make sure the speed rating of the one new tire matches the other three as well. In the P195/60R-15 size for your car, the speed rating is supposed to be a T. This will be found on the sidewall of the tire and it will read like this --> P195/60R-15 87T. Look at your tires and see. The 87 is the load index of the tire, which just indicates the safe load carrying capacity in pounds the tire will carry.

To check the original equipment size and speed rating tire for your car, I went to http://www.TireRack.com ,looked up your 2008 Ford Focus SES and made an interesting discovery; according to their tire guide, your car is supposed to have a P205/50R-16 tire size and it is the SE and S models of that year that are supposed to come with the P195/60R15 size that is on your SES now. Something seems to be amiss here.

With you buying the car used, it is possible that someone switched the rim sizes so they could install the smaller and less expensive tire size, (about 45% lower in price). To verify if this is what has happened and your car has the wrong size tires on it, look for the tire placard for your car, which is a small, square, gray or white decal about the size of the palm of your hand. The tire placard will list the size of the tires that are supposed to be on your car, as well as the air pressures they should be inflated to. The tire placard is usually located on the end of the drivers door, near the latch. It can also be on the end of any of the other doors, on the back of the glove box door, on the underside of the trunk/hatch lid or on the back of the fuel filler door. If that tire placard says the car is supposed to have the P205/50R-16 tire size, someone took off the correct size tires and rims from your car.

Let me know what you find out.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:39 AM   #32
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In a pinch, you can always get one tire to replace the tire that is the incorrect size. That's certainly far better than having mismatched tire sizes, as that can be unsafe. If the other three tires on the car are all the same size and the same brand and model, then just purchase one tire to match those other three. Keep in mind too that tires can differ in their speed ratings. There is a P195/60R-15 with an S, T, H and V speed rating. The size of the tire is the same between the different speed ratings, but the handling can be very much different between them. So make sure the speed rating of the one new tire matches the other three as well. In the P195/60R-15 size for your car, the speed rating is supposed to be a T. This will be found on the sidewall of the tire and it will read like this --> P195/60R-15 87T. Look at your tires and see. The 87 is the load index of the tire, which just indicates the safe load carrying capacity in pounds the tire will carry.

To check the original equipment size and speed rating tire for your car, I went to http://www.TireRack.com ,looked up your 2008 Ford Focus SES and made an interesting discovery; according to their tire guide, your car is supposed to have a P205/50R-16 tire size and it is the SE and S models of that year that are supposed to come with the P195/60R15 size that is on your SES now. Something seems to be amiss here.

With you buying the car used, it is possible that someone switched the rim sizes so they could install the smaller and less expensive tire size, (about 45% lower in price). To verify if this is what has happened and your car has the wrong size tires on it, look for the tire placard for your car, which is a small, square, gray or white decal about the size of the palm of your hand. The tire placard will list the size of the tires that are supposed to be on your car, as well as the air pressures they should be inflated to. The tire placard is usually located on the end of the drivers door, near the latch. It can also be on the end of any of the other doors, on the back of the glove box door, on the underside of the trunk/hatch lid or on the back of the fuel filler door. If that tire placard says the car is supposed to have the P205/50R-16 tire size, someone took off the correct size tires and rims from your car.

Let me know what you find out.
You are correct! My wheel size should indeed be P205/50R-16! I actually already knew this when I purchased the car. You see, my car was mildly wrecked and it had fender and wheel damage so the original 16IN Snowflakes that came on the car from the factory were ruined -- So the guy who I purchased the car from put the 195/60R-15 on it as a replacement. So, fortunately it was no secret that the wheels were different than they originally were. Judging by how long I've known the man I bought the rebuilt car from, he probably didn't notice that the tire he put on the rear was a 65R instead of a 60R. I could probably take it to him today and show him and he would most likely give me another tire, but I don't want to bother him because he has done so much for me at no cost for this car that I haven't posted about (new axels, new rack and pinion, suspension work, getting the squeak out of my brakes, etc). I didn't even have to pay him for those parts since he feels he is responsible since he sold me the car (he owns a body shop so rebuilding, fixing and painting cars is what he does for a living). I think I can spring for the tire to match the other three. And thanks for letting me know about the speed rating! I had no idea what that was about on the tire. I'm gonna check that out today when I get back home. And pretty soon, I am planning on ordering some aftermarket 16IN wheels for her and all new tires anyhow from Tire Rack (: I am quite excited about making this purchase. That's why I am glad I am glad my other tires are in good shape and I only have to replace the one mismatched tire since I am about to take them all off for new stuff anyhow. Soon, I will be running the factory size again! But my car is completely capable of running the 15IN -- The S and SE models were just lower-end models that came with those. My SES pretty much just offered them as a luxury with the increased price :p But I didn't give anywhere near normal value for my car at the time. When I bought it, it had 94K miles on it and I only gave $7500. For what little I have had to pay to have fixed, I'd say I got a pretty good deal on her. But like I said, I got some work to do, starting with having my matching tire put on tomorrow!
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:54 AM   #33
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I just wanted to let everyone know that I now have ALL matching tires (: and even better news is that the mismatched tire fits my other car!! Now to work on everything else. Also I got a front end alignment which helped with the car driving better. I'm still getting idol vibration though so my next project is checking the motor mounts. Thanks again!
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:51 PM   #34
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If an auto center only did a front wheel alignment, unfortunately you were ripped off. The vast majority of front wheel drive vehicles, including the Ford Focus, require four wheel alignments. The alignment of the rear tires/wheels can also be adjusted and needs to be in synch with the front tires/wheels. If that isn't done, then a proper alignment wasn't completed.

So did you replace the one tire with the size that didn't match with a matching tire to the other three, I take it?

So you are saying that the car vibrates with the engine running but the car not moving? If this is the case, it's most likely the right upper/passenger side motor mount. I'm not suggesting you just go ahead and replace it, hoping for the best, as that's a great way to waste money. Have the motor mounts diagnosed to determine if the are worn out or not.

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I never would have thought about that, but you guys could be right. I never gave it a second thought. So how can someone like me who doesn't know much about cars just look and see if its bent? And if it helps to verify this, my car has a rebuilt title. It was in a minor accident that did some fender and a little undercarriage damage. The wheels on my car now aren't the ones that were on it during the accident though. The original wheels were the 16in snowflakes that come on SES models but mine has the 15in 16spoke SE wheels. I assumed the wheels got messed up in the accident and the only fix was the replace them completely. So what could be bent (if anything) besides the wheels? You guys are helping a lot and I appreciate it. How can I verify a bent wheel?
A rebuilt title does not really go with a "minor accident," IMHO. My guess is that they swapped out the damaged wheels with some used ones, and one of them was bent.
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Again, please get a matching set of tires on the car ASAP...I never recommend to my customers to go cheap when it comes to maintenance and repairs on their vehicles as that route usually ends up actually costing more in the long run. But when it comes to tires and brakes, with these two area's of your car you don't want to go cheap on, because your very life is in the balance, (or the lives of others that got into a crash with you). Always purchase the best tires and brakes you can afford.
Excellent advice.
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No, unfortunately, I didn't know anything about getting a four wheel alignment -- I had never even heard of it before now ): And yes, I swapped off the mismatched tire for one of the same exact size and similar tread pattern.

Also, I feel the vibration at idol and my steering vibrates when I am driving as well -- I tried switching into neutral while I was driving to see if it still vibrates on neutral and it indeed does the same as if it is in drive (i'm mentioning this because someone told me to test it this way, although now I can't remember what it means if it still vibrates in neutral).

And yes, there is a good chance I have a bent wheel, but the last place I had the tires balanced and rotated said that the wheels weren't bent.
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Passenger side motor mount or dog bone. Is the vibration worse at a stop with your foot on the brake? I am assuming you have an auto
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No, unfortunately, I didn't know anything about getting a four wheel alignment -- I had never even heard of it before now ): And yes, I swapped off the mismatched tire for one of the same exact size and similar tread pattern.
Similar tread pattern, not the same tire brand, model and size? There are many more differences to tires than merely the tread pattern. If the tire isn't the exact same brand, model, size and speed rating, then the tires are not matched. Why didn't the auto center match the tires you have? The more you tell me about this place, the more I am seeing you are getting very poor advice from them, if not all out dishonest advice.

Check your receipt and tell me what you were charged for the supposed alignment. Performing a two-wheel/front wheel alignment with a vehicle that requires a four wheel alignment, (which your Focus does), is a total waste of money. The vehicle isn't properly aligned. It's worse than paying for a tune up with a four cylinder engine and only replacing two out of the four spark plugs.

If they have a four wheel alignment machine and they only performed a front wheel alignment, you need to go speak to the head manager with your receipt in hand and politely demand the proper four wheel alignment be completed. If they give you any grief, you can mention that if they don't do the proper job, that your next step will be to contact your State Attorney General's Office and your State Office of Consumer Affairs and do so! As a consumer, you have a lot of rights on your side when dealing with a dishonest/incompetent auto center!

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Similar tread pattern, not the same tire brand, model and size? There are many more differences to tires than merely the tread pattern. If the tire isn't the exact same brand, model, size and speed rating, then the tires are not matched. Why didn't the auto center match the tires you have? The more you tell me about this place, the more I am seeing you are getting very poor advice from them, if not all out dishonest advice.

Check your receipt and tell me what you were charged for the supposed alignment. Performing a two-wheel/front wheel alignment with a vehicle that requires a four wheel alignment, (which your Focus does), is a total waste of money. The vehicle isn't properly aligned. It's worse than paying for a tune up with a four cylinder engine and only replacing two out of the four spark plugs.

If they have a four wheel alignment machine and they only performed a front wheel alignment, you need to go speak to the head manager with your receipt in hand and politely demand the proper four wheel alignment be completed. If they give you any grief, you can mention that if they don't do the proper job, that your next step will be to contact your State Attorney General's Office and your State Office of Consumer Affairs and do so! As a consumer, you have a lot of rights on your side when dealing with a dishonest/incompetent auto center!

I get so boiling angry when I see people getting ripped off for auto repairs!

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My mom is actually keeping up with my receipt so I will have to get her to tell me what it says or let me look at it (I had to work so she took care of the car that day). And it makes me angry when people get ripped off as well! Especially if I'm the one being ripped!
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