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Old 03-01-2013, 10:10 AM   #1
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Sounds in the front end on 2008 SES

I have a 2008 SES with automatic trans. I have a noise that occurs above maybe 30mph. It's kind of hard to describe, maybe a whiring sound, or what some would maybe take as road noise. I had a mechanic take it for a ride, and all he said was maybe tires (which tire store didn't think that was the noise), or maybe right front wheel bearing. Also, I had Ford dealership service guy take a ride yesterday, and he said that he agreed with me, that it sounds like coming from the left side, not the right. Said maybe wheel hub assembly. Then he adding that I needed a suspension specialist look at it and that a diagnostic check would only be $100, and that would be credited towards the repair. The other sound that the car is making in that area is, that after you have driven it for a few minutes/miles, and you come to a slow stop, or just drive very slow (maybe 5-15 or so) there is the sound of what I would describe as gears meshing, or bearings going bad). I thought that is was coming from the left front, but then last night I was stretching myself to the right to listen as I was driving very slow, and it seemed to come from the right. I was wondering if both sounds were generating from the right side cv joint axle that has the bearing on the shaft, or is it the wheel bearings? Don't want to pay for diagnostics, and the price that they (Ford) want for the parts. They want $400 for a wheel bearing and a cv axle shaft.
Also, other questions (sorry), does anyone know what size the axle nut is on the 2008? Does trans fluid come out when you pull the shaft out, if so, how much? How hard is it getting the shaft out and back in?
Thanks guys, was thinking of starting on the job tonight out in the driveway.
OH YEA, what is the best parts to buy in the way of Hub assys, and cv joint shafts.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:59 PM   #2
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you're right - sometimes worn (cupped/feathered) tires can sound like bearing growl, and vice-versa; of course it's all relative: aggressive-tread low-profile tires aren't exactly quiet to start with. I've had cupped tires on this car and know the sound well, so when my right-front bearing was failing, it was easy to dismiss as tire noise, esp. because the wheels had no play along the traditional 9/3 o'clock & 12/6 o'clock axes.

Have you rotated the tires front-to-rear to see if the sound changes or goes away? I'm assuming your mechanic lifted the car and checked for play. Does the noise diminish or worsen in corners?
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Noise does not change in corners. Took to tire dealer and he said three of the tires are in great shape, the front right one is worn somewhat, but he felt all over the tire and said that the tire was not worn enough to cause any type of road noise and suggested that it may be mechanical. I asked him about rotating the tires, and he said since the two rear tires are two of the best, it is wise to keep the best tires in the back. Said that front right tire was not cupping at all.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:56 AM   #4
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Audio noise of front end noise

I made a clip of the audio noise coming from the front end. Of course I have jacked up the noise sound level in my editing software for you to hear it, but this is the actual noise that I hear just not that loud.
JUST CLICK ON PICTURE TO HEAR AUDIO
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hard to hear, but I kinda get it.

You haven't really provided any useful information other than "there's a noise in the front of my car, and the shop said it might be xyz."

Doesn't sound like you want to put much effort into this - haven't even done the basics like jack up the car and turn the wheels by hand, check for play in the 9/3 & 12/6 positions, or rotate the tires to see if the noise moves.
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:28 AM   #6
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Jacked it up a week ago, did all that. There is no play, when I do the 9/3, or 6/12. Also turned wheel while holding coil spring, and felt no vibration at all. I have done everything short of putting on jack stands and running (which is not a very safe procedure to do. And I certainly don't want to pay someone $100. Just to tell me what it may be. I am thinking of taking it back to tire store, just to have them rotate the tires, but they told me last week that's not it. I have already priced hubs, bearings, cv shafts ect.
Driveway and me are ready, the weather isn't co-operating.
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I have done everything short of putting on jack stands and running (which is not a very safe procedure to do.
yeah, and it might not tell you much anyway, because mechanical wear often reveals itself only under load


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And I certainly don't want to pay someone $100. Just to tell me what it may be.
I hear you, but if the part fails while you're driving it, the most optimistic scenario is a $50 - $100 towing fee.


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I am thinking of taking it back to tire store, just to have them rotate the tires
after that, if the noise doesn't move to the rear, then the bearing might be your easiest/cheapest best guess. I wouldn't foresee a CV joint needing replacement on a 4-year old car, although stranger things have happened.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:56 PM   #8
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I have problems with sounds coming from my wheels and/or suspension in my 2008 SES as well -- I wonder if we have the same problems??
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That sound recording was really bad... Its hard to know what I was even listening for.

Has it always made this noise or is this something that started recently?

Have you checked the brakes? Made sure they're clean? Pads are wearing evenly?
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Yes we may have the same problem. I don't know whether to start with a wheel bearing, or just replace hub assy, which comes with a new hub and bearing, and since I have to tear all that apart to get the steering knuckle free, should I go ahead and replace the right cv shaft while I am at it. Difference in doing both is a cv shaft would cost another 50.-70 dollars. Not much when you think about it, but kind of overkill. I just don't want to have to rip all that apart a second time. For what the dealer wants to just a wheel bearing and a cv shaft, I can change both front hub assy's and cv shafts (left and right) and still be ahead about $125. in my pocket.
I guess you have to know what you are listening for with my recording. It started to be real noticeable at about the 30 second area, till almost the end. That's where you could hear the pitch or vibrations going up and down. It's the best I could get with a cell phone.
I am not sure whether it has always made this noise, because this is my wife's car, and I hardly ever drive it. I don't really remember it being like this when we bought it.
I haven't checked the brakes, but it doesn't sound like any kind of a brake problem. I have to replace a brake hose retainer clip tomorrow, so I will check them at that time. I am also going to take it to the tire store tomorrow to see about rotating the tires. Didn't get that done today.

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