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Old 02-23-2013, 08:47 PM   #21
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I'll try again; Synthetic Oil: Rx For Long Engine Life - http://getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech/syntheticoil/

It's a great read and will provide a solid education in synthetic oil technology.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:31 AM   #22
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265,000 miles. Has never had synthetic in it


I'll try again: With a good filter and proper change intervals for the quality of oil you're using, it'll run forever.
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2001 can use Dino stuff with proper changes no problem. No argument. Does not mean that synthetic is bad or useless. Most modern motors are designed to run synthetic. Synthetic offers better protection at higher temps and flows better in cold climates. Not like Cali.:)
Plus most oils now are part synthetic stock anyway. Nuff said.
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Now add this into the mix: Direct injection, can't tolerate much "gunk" getting sucked through the PCV due to intake port fouling, and synthetics are better for that, or so I seem to be reading. I will be using only Group IV or V synthetics, I think.
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So does this synthetic vs non synthetic battle sounds like the Winter tyres vs all season tyres battle....
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I'm partial to synthetic in engines that see severe duty and I would only use synthetic in a turbo aplication due to the extremely higher heat temp from the engine to the turbo and of course low temp pourability is a biggie on start-up. My vehciles don't get too many miles a year on them like they used to so I just change my synthetic oil once a year no matter how many miles I put on it.
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Well since the battle of syn vs dino oil how bout we throw in green oil an recycled oil . Any one ?
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With a good filter and proper change intervals for the quality of oil you're using, it'll run forever.
You're talking past each other. No one said you can't use petroleum oil. The key is the phrase "proper change intervals", and the earlier mention of "price versus cost".

A quick check on Autozone.com gives me $4.79/qt for Mobil petro oil, and $8.99/qt for full synthetic. Assume five quarts of oil. Change the petro oil every 3000 miles. Change the synthetic every 10,000. After 30,000 miles, you've spent $239 on petro oil, or $135 on synthetic. In addition, you also pay three times the labor for changing the petro oil more often -- and even if you do it yourself, your own time is worth something.

Sure, you can keep the engine running, but the petro oil costs you more. That's neglecting other disadvantages like disposing of three times the waste and having the car down three times as often.

And as for frequent oil changes damaging the engine -- well, if you take it to a quickie lube place, every oil change is another chance for them to break something, so you want as few of those as possible :)
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You can even make it cheaper when Wal-mart put either M1 or Castrol syntec on sale in the 5qt jugs for under $25.
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2001 can use Dino stuff with proper changes no problem. No argument. Does not mean that synthetic is bad or useless. Most modern motors are designed to run synthetic. Synthetic offers better protection at higher temps and flows better in cold climates. Not like Cali.:)
Plus most oils now are part synthetic stock anyway. Nuff said.
Engines aren't designed to use a particular basestock of motor oil one way or the other. In that regard, oil is oil. Synthetic oils don't have any magic, they are just superior oils to a petroleum oil in every way.

Very few, "synthetic oils", are true Group IV PAO or Group IV Ester basestock synthetic oils. Most are what I call the, "pretend-it's-a-synthetic oil", Group III, "synthetic oils", which are merely petroleum oils subjected to more refining. These oils don't offer the inherent advantages a true Group IV or Group V synthetic oil offers. Buyer beware.

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