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Old 02-06-2013, 02:49 PM   #41
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Ford designed and built the engine to run on Motorcraft 5w30 with a motorcraft filter. The people who warranty and know more about the engine than anybody should know best...The Variable Cam Timing Actuators are very susceptible to damage with anything than what is recommended. The VCT's have failed over and over in the 04-up F-150 5.4L with wrong oil and filter. Stay away from anything that says Penzoil on the bottle or Fram oil Filters for that matter.
Are you suggesting there's never anything better than stock parts, oils and fluids?
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Since you test your oil, I'm curious about any facts you have behind this statement about Pennzoil. I've seen the evidence about Fram, but I've seen nothing but excellent UOAs from Pennzoil Platinum and consistenly get good recommendations about Ultra in regard to D.I. engines. I know that Pennzoil yellow-bottle garnered itself a bad reputation for sludge in the 80s, but I'm pretty sure they (and everyone else has gone through a complete product overhaul since then.

What do you know that you can share with the board?
It would be nice if the ethics and conduct of Royal/Dutch/Shell, (who owns and operates Pennzoil), would go through a complete overhaul.

After watching this video, I will never purchase a product from Royal/Dutch/Shell, (which owns Pennzoil). I'll walk before I purchase any Pennzoil product, ever. There are many video's on YouTube regarding the conduct of Shell Oil in Nigeria.

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Old 02-06-2013, 04:09 PM   #43
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I'm talking about turbo only vehicles. Ignore anything non-turbo. Also, I know plenty of stupid mechanics who are full of myths and rumors, and have never taken a physics or engineering course in their life.
I have been building Turbo 4 , 6 , V6 , V8 engines and turbocharging them for over 30 years my first was a Factory 79 Mustang Turbo , I build the engine , I build the turbo kits , I tune them on my DynoJet dyno , I have a Superflow inhouse flow bench just to clear up I am not some "stupis mechanc" I have built hundreds or Turbocharged engines and I use Mobile 1 50wt oils and will use nothing else , Now to flip this over I am not reading about this oil does this and is better because of the test shown or some number thats given to an oil , I test it in the engine then see the bearings , the Cyl walls , the crankshaft and see the ware , I have NEVER taken a physics or engineering course and dont need one , I can look at the engines ware , the temps it gets to before issues and know if I want that oil in my engine , how many engines have you taken apart to see if your letters / numbers in a book match what the engine ware is ?


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Tom, I'm talking about the Mobil1 in 5w30 in a turbo car. Not Mobil1 in general. I don't believe that you run Mobil1 5w30 in all of those vehicles.
You are correct , I use the Mobile 1 50wt Syn in everything

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Again, I enjoy talking the subject, but data is ultimately necessary. I am the only one here with data to back my specific claim.
Please don take anything above or this wrong , I am not trying to start an argument but your data is from books that are on the internet , have you ever run engines then taken them apart to see what kind of ware an oil has , hearings , Cyl walls , crank shaft , cam bearings . numbers in a book are great but a lot of times when it comes to oils they dont match with what I have seen , like amsoil , RP I see no less ware from them then Mobile 1 Syn but the # show there should be
Only data that counts to me is what I can see when I take an engine apart weather it be one pass or a full years race look at the bearings , that data you can use

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I am not going to get in the middle of this as I have learned that talking about oil brands is a lot like talking about religion - too much passion, too much history, too little reliance on facts for anything productive to come of it. What I am going to say is that for anyone who is considering using their car (ST or otherwise) for HPDEs or track days please read my posts here - http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274344

Remember, the SAE (label) viscosity tests stop at 212. That is well below what your oil will run when on track.
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I am not going to get in the middle of this as I have learned that talking about oil brands is a lot like talking about religion - too much passion, too much history, too little reliance on facts for anything productive to come of it. What I am going to say is that for anyone who is considering using their car (ST or otherwise) for HPDEs or track days please read my posts here - http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274344

Remember, the SAE (label) viscosity tests stop at 212. That is well below what your oil will run when on track.
Most modern vehicles have a cooling system that runs at 190 deg. F.+ and the engine temperatures are far greater than 212 deg. F., especially on the cylinder walls.
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Most modern vehicles have a cooling system that runs at 190 deg. F.+ and the engine temperatures are far greater than 212 deg. F., especially on the cylinder walls.
Oil temps measured at the sump over 260 are common place for track day participants. Spot temps will be higher. Viscosity measurement procedures that end at 212 aren't too useful.
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I have used M-1 5w20 in all 5 of my previous foci. I use M-1 5w30 in my 04 Yukon Denali started when she had over 160K on it not one problem. I plan on using M-1 in my ST after brake in. I seem to side with Tom on this.

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I have used M-1 5w20 in all 5 of my previous foci. I use M-1 5w30 in my 04 Yukon Denali started when she had over 160K on it not one problem. I plan on using M-1 in my ST after brake in. I seem to side with Tom on this.

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For the love of god, you don't read well do you?

My claims are for Mobil 1 5w30 on turbo vehicles only.

I showed proven data. I don't give a shit if you used different weights on different vehicles for different purposes.

If someone wants to run Mobil 1 5w30 and send in a used oil analysis to see how much it shears, please do so for the sake of data collection. Tom and I both agree about running the more durable oils.
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Did I say M1 5w30? I said M1, How ever I may for safety of my engine I may use a different synthetic oil. but never pennz. Maybe Val syntec.

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Motorcraft full synthetic 5w30 [I think made by Conoco/Kendall]

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