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Old 02-04-2013, 09:29 PM   #21
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I totally agree with Zetec regarding starting with better equipment or at least knowing that better equipment is out there. I know everyone has different needs and wants (not to mention budgets) for their systems. Me personally it is more then just a hobby. I actually really enjoy all types of music and want it to sound as good as it possible can in a mobile environment.

I understand you didn't make the list and was not bashing it in anyway shape or form. It is an excellent list for someone to start researching different brands and finding out what is out there. We simply were just adding some competition brands for people to research as well.

And on a side note to your comment about not being satisfied with what you currently have.....yeah it doesn't end. There is always something new and different that can be added or changed or tweaked. :)
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:37 PM   #22
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even the budget minded person can go with Audio Technix , Obsidian, Sundown, ect, entry level subs all under $200 that will kick kicker or sonys ass any day of the week
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I have to disagree, Id rather see someone new buy a good quality competition brand and get a good quality product that will take abuse of a newbie who thinks the gain is a volume knob .

We know you didnt make the list, we are just adding current information to this list to better educate consumers
I must say ill agree to disagree with you. It's like telling a kid who just turned sixteen to buy the most expensive car out there for his first car. Not very logical. But that's just my opinion, and you obviously have yours.
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correct we all do have opinions.... I look it as more of : Hey buy this 120 dollar car with low miles, they seem quite dependable instead of , hey buy this 1500 car its got a fresh paintjob , high miles and used a quart a week of oil


I am just speaking from my own experiences... I went through alot of cheap subs before i spent the money on a higher quality sub , the cost was within $20 of the cheap subs but it had more durability ...a 1 1/4" voice coil compared to a 2.5" plus the ability to recone the subwoofer instead of pitching it to purchase another
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well the equipment is just as good as the install. I have seen and heard the best money could buy sound like dog sh!t and cheap stuff sound great. It was the install.
I guess I am old school but I still run Alpine, JL Audio speakers and subs, PPI amps ( Art and older series only) and Audio Control processors. I do have some other stuff, US Amps ( Fl made stuff only) Kenwood. I have used this stuff for 20+ years in competition has done me right. even taking me to a SQ world championship.

I would however put Audiobahn in the stay away category, nothing but pure crap sold at pawn shops, flea markets and appliance stores.

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i agree, almost any equipment can sound good if done right.
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well the equipment is just as good as the install. I have seen and heard the best money could buy sound like dog sh!t and cheap stuff sound great. It was the install.
I guess I am old school but I still run Alpine, JL Audio speakers and subs, PPI amps ( Art and older series only) and Audio Control processors. I do have some other stuff, US Amps ( Fl made stuff only) Kenwood. I have used this stuff for 20+ years in competition has done me right. even taking me to a SQ world championship.

I would however put Audiobahn in the stay away category, nothing but pure crap sold at pawn shops, flea markets and appliance stores.

But it is just my opinion.

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i agree, almost any equipment can sound good if done right.
And i agree as well. As i said on the first page of the thread. =]
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I disagree with Pyramid and Legacy being on the stay away list. I have had Alpine, Kenwood, Crunch, Pioneer, MTX,...... and currently have two 15" Kicker L7 solobaric subs behind a Boss amp. I have also had a couple Pyramid Legacy amps I'd put up against anything and the price was far better on them. They are great amps for those who don't have big cash or get all the discounts on gear.
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I disagree with Pyramid and Legacy being on the stay away list. I have had Alpine, Kenwood, Crunch, Pioneer, MTX,...... and currently have two 15" Kicker L7 solobaric subs behind a Boss amp. I have also had a couple Pyramid Legacy amps I'd put up against anything and the price was far better on them. They are great amps for those who don't have big cash or get all the discounts on gear.
An amp is essentially a gain block. The quality of the parts and design of said gain block is very important. There are distinct differences between Class, A, A/B, D, H, T, etc.

PPI made an amp for Pyramid many, many years ago. PPI also made my old beloved MTX Terminator MTA 225. Zed Audio made/designed many good budget brand amps. Again that was many years ago. I love REAL old school amps, not so called Old School amps that are 5 yrs old.

I agree that everything is in the install. But, unless you know how to use a DDM, Test CD and a Handheld or, benchtop oscilloscope, I doubt that your system sounds all that great. More than likely it's okay.
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