SCT doesn't want our money

[teamDFL]

I know this off-topic, but not entirely. A car enthusiast is someone who sees their car not as liability or necessity but as a means for personal enjoyment. It doesn't matter if a person guts the car and races, adds stereo and video equipment, leaves it stock and keeps it sparkling clean or just puts on stickers it; if they are getting enjoyment out of what they do with their car, they are an enthusiast. While we all have our own favorite way to express our enthusiasm, we all share a passion for our cars.

And this is, tangentially, why I really hope that SCT or someone gives us the ability to tune our cars. There are so many different types of enthusiasts who will benefit from the ability to tune the car. From people who want to autocross a car that is otherwise stock to those who to see if they can make a 200 whp steet toy without internal mods to those who want to build a 500 hp drag monster. Tuning is a benefit to all.

[Roadworthy]

Yeroc40 I was thinking the same thing lol.
No modifying= not a car enthusiast

False

Have you ever heard of the brit show, Top Gear?

Try owning a luxury sports car first. 99% Of those owners don't mod sh! T because it devalues the car drastically. If you'd modify a Ferrari, you don't understand true pride of ownership. You know, real people buy cars and only maintain/wash them because they appreciate it for what it is: art on wheels.
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[darkangelism]

Originally Posted by Roadworthy

I always wonder that the thinking behind SCT, Cobb, Superchips etc is that individuals who buy enthusiast cars are more likely to modify their ride. From my experience this is true. I think we need to check with other platforms that did not receive a turbo/sport/enthusiast model but got around the roadblock of 'oh hum, wo is me' metality and got sh!t done.

Yeah it is true but the ST is a lot more limited so even if 100% modded and only 1% of non STs did they would still sell more tunes.

[FocusBoy58]

Originally Posted by Roadworthy

Yeroc40 I was thinking the same thing lol.
No modifying= not a car enthusiast

False

Have you ever heard of the brit show, Top Gear?

Try owning a luxury sports car first. 99% Of those owners don't mod sh! T because it devalues the car drastically. If you'd modify a Ferrari, you don't understand true pride of ownership. You know, real people buy cars and only maintain/wash them because they appreciate it for what it is: art on wheels.
End of rant

While I understand what you are saying and Agree that you dont have to mod to be an enthusiast but.... I do not care what I own I make it my own.

Spent 70,000 on a Audi Q7 and the next week spent 5,000 on Rims, Tuning, and a Lower lip kit and Rear Spoiler. There are Enthusiast and then there are the ones that just want to make the car an extension of their personality.

No car I have ever owned has stayed Stock for more then a week.

[FocusBoy58]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

Yeah it is true but the ST is a lot more limited so even if 100% modded and only 1% of non STs did they would still sell more tunes.

Simple Numbers. It really is a no brainer.

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by darkangelism

Yeah it is true but the ST is a lot more limited so even if 100% modded and only 1% of non STs did they would still sell more tunes.

SCT was obviously racing Cobb to the tuning market. The ST is the new hot hatch and you don't want to be late to the party. I just can't understand how you can't see the difference between investing money into a hot hatch vs a economy sedan. It's truly baffling.

All of this 1%, 5% 100% talk is really all moot. SCT has evaluated your case and hasn't deemed the N/A focus to be a priority. If they did, you'd have a solution by now. Sucks to hear... but trying to justify your hopes with crazy numbers you're pulling out of your butt isn't going to help anything.

I'm not saying the N/A focus isn't worthy of a tune... I could care less what people want to do with their cars; it's just strange that people question why SCT went after the ST and not the NA

[FocusBoy58]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank

SCT was obviously racing Cobb to the tuning market. The ST is the new hot hatch and you don't want to be late to the party. I just can't understand how you can't see the difference between investing money into a hot hatch vs a economy sedan. It's truly baffling.

All of this 1%, 5% 100% talk is really all moot. SCT has evaluated your case and hasn't deemed the N/A focus to be a priority. If they did, you'd have a solution by now. Sucks to hear... but trying to justify your hopes with crazy numbers you're pulling out of your butt isn't going to help anything.

I'm not saying the N/A focus isn't worthy of a tune... I could care less what people want to do with their cars; it's just strange that people question why SCT went after the ST and not the NA

without us SCT would have never started producing tunes for the earlier models. There was no hot hatch there was people like us putting headers and exhaust on vehicles and realizing the platform had potential. No matter what you say I find it hard to believe that SCT is not going to release a tune this year. If they dont Hey to bad for them I will find another method.

Honestly the negativety coming from the focus community is vomit inducing. I dont care your views we just want a tune wether you agree or not you should support the Focus Community because in the end if you are not then why are you on this forum?

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by FocusBoy58

without us SCT would have never started producing tunes for the earlier models. No matter what you say I find it hard to believe that SCT is not going to release a tune this year. If they dont Hey to bad for them I will find another method.

That's because you showed them a demand and they deemed the project worth the investment. Some situation here.. you've shown them the demand and they have yet to deem the project worth the investment. Unfortunately with the complexity of modern ECU's and the number of different codes there seem to be; the current focus is going to take a lot more justification than previous years.

It never hurts to ask but you have to be ready to hear their answer.

We talked sales numbers earlier in this thread.

Someone pulled up 220k foci sold in the US in 2012 and around 8-10k ST projected. So you're going to need a lot more than 1% to reach the ST's numbers. I don't even see them selling 1% of the N/A market.

Think about that, that's 2200 units. So far we have about 30 people that have shown interest. Even if you said a hundred, you're still pretty short of your goal.

[FocusBoy58]

Originally Posted by amoosenamedhank

That's because you showed them a demand and they deemed the project worth the investment. Some situation here.. you've shown them the demand and they have yet to deem the project worth the investment. Unfortunately with the complexity of modern ECU's and the number of different codes there seem to be; the current focus is going to take a lot more justification than previous years.

It never hurts to ask but you have to be ready to hear their answer.

We talked sales numbers earlier in this thread.

Someone pulled up 220k foci sold in the US in 2012 and around 8-10k ST projected. So you're going to need a lot more than 1% to reach the ST's numbers. I don't even see them selling 1% of the N/A market.

Think about that, that's 2200 units. So far we have about 30 people that have shown interest. Even if you said a hundred, you're still pretty short of your goal.

You are not including the amount of vehicles that will continue to be sold marked as Mk3 Focuses. I promise you they will make a tune at one point. Especially since ford is keeping this model for atleast 4 more years. 220,000 x 5 years... Sales will add up. A true investor knows it does not come all at once.

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by FocusBoy58

You are not including the amount of vehicles that will continue to be sold marked as Mk3 Focuses. I promise you they will make a tune at one point. Especially since ford is keeping this model for atleast 4 more years. 220,000 x 5 years... Sales will add up. A true investor knows it does not come all at once.

I never said they would never make a tune. I said they are obviously not making this a priority. For those jumping down their throat, they need to realize their fate.

You can continue to provide your little anecdotes but that doesn't change the fact that they haven't justified it yet.

The MS3 has a fraction of the sales that the standard Mazda3 has..... yet there are a lot more aftermarket companies interested in the MS3. This isn't an accident people.