SCT doesn't want our money

[teamDFL]

Originally Posted by frinesi2

I love the stability control on the Focus, it's great. I can give it a bit extra throttle in a corner and it kills the understeer and whips around nicely, sometimes I can even get it to step the tail out, but I do have lowering springs.

I don't have a problem with it killing the understeer, it is killing the oversteer (or more correctly rear biased yaw moment) that I have induced that annoys me. I can feel the car want to rotate and then feel the electronics stop it. It is incredibly frustrating because the platform is there waiting, but the electronics are stopping me from enjoying it.

Originally Posted by frinesi2

Maybe you have to tweak you suspension a bit and learn how to drive a car that basically has computer controlled cutting brakes? I know technology is scary, but it's actually pretty cool when you put down the pitchforks and start to get to know it.

I don't want to learn to drive a car a certain way because it has been dumbed down for the masses who are scared of oversteer. I want the car to do what I tell it, not what a computer programmer thinks is best. I want to have the option of driving my 2012 without interference from the nannies. Kind of like my other Focus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWbvpINNyg

Just notice how little steering angle there is in the last corner before the front straight. That is rear biased yaw. I can take an off-ramp close to home and feel the chassis of my 2012 want to do that, but then the electronics stop it from happening and the car just slows down. I understand that this is a good thing for 99% of buyers, I just want to be able to purchase a programmer to get rid of this because I am in the 1%.

As you can see from the video above, I am not your normal owner. I teach others how to drive on race tracks. The electronics in this car punish good driving techniques. That is why I want to turn them off.

[RonMaiden]

Some of you guys would've loved driving an Integra Type R which is one of the best stripped down handling fwd cars ever and it was just the tires between you and the road (and a little ABS) and required you to be a good driver to get it around a track and was a blast to drive. Fortunatly with my STI Subi did allow you to turn off everything which isn't for everybody.

Now with the SCT situation I don't think it's hate vs what the accountants are telling them and now while alot of people here say they would buy a tune vs those who would actually buy a tune from them might be making SCT feel it's not worth it. It's boiling down to the money line and somewhere it's not adding up for SCT or they'd already have one out.

[teamDFL]

Originally Posted by RonMaiden

Some of you guys would've loved driving an Integra Type R which is one of the best stripped down handling fwd cars ever and it was just the tires between you and the road (and a little ABS) and required you to be a good driver to get it around a track and was a blast to drive.

I was looking at ITRs in 2000 when I found out (happily) that my wife was pregnant. We figured the ZX3 was still a lot of fun and a more sensible choice. But I agree 100% with your take on the car and FWIW, while not as quick, my ZX3 in the video above is exactly as you describe the ITR - pure, simple, stripped down fun with only the safety net of ABS. What is frustrating me is that I can feel that 2012 has the much of the same potential (albeit in a much more comfortable package) yet every time I try to access it, the nannies slap me on the wrist.

Originally Posted by RonMaiden

Now with the SCT situation I don't think it's hate vs what the accountants are telling them and now while alot of people here say they would buy a tune vs those who would actually buy a tune from them might be making SCT feel it's not worth it. It's boiling down to the money line and somewhere it's not adding up for SCT or they'd already have one out.

Yup. SCT is a business. If they thought a 2012 Focus tune would make them money, we'd have one.

[frinesi2]

I think part of what SCT said earlier is legitimate as well, in regards to there being so many PCM codes for the new Focus. I'll admit I haven't don't my part and submitted my code but this weather hasn't been to helpful lately - I haven't really felt like taking a wheel and some fender liners out in the snow.

That being said like teamDFL said if they thought they could make a lot of money on it, they would find a way to get the codes.

[FocusBoy58]

Plenty of Money Out there to offer tuning for this vehicle.. They are honestly making the biggest mistake. I bet more people will buy tuning for the TI-VCT over the Ecoboost because it is simple NUMBERS we Have way More... Why would you not a sell a product for a popular vehicle that there is over 100x the amount of on the Road.

Since SCT is a business then they are not being smart.

Its Like Tuning my Audi Q7 only 2 companies do it and it is out of country. Sure someone else can have my 1500 bucks.. In that situation it make sense because there isn't an abundant amount of people looking to do it.

But the Focus MK3 non ST if they told me they wouldn't sell they are full of it. WAY more MK3s on the Road simple numbers.

[StockTalon]

Originally Posted by FocusBoy58

Plenty of Money Out there to offer tuning for this vehicle.. They are honestly making the biggest mistake. I bet more people will buy tuning for the TI-VCT over the Ecoboost because it is simple NUMBERS we Have way More... Why would you not a sell a product for a popular vehicle that there is over 100x the amount of on the Road.

Since SCT is a business then they are not being smart.

Its Like Tuning my Audi Q7 only 2 companies do it and it is out of country. Sure someone else can have my 1500 bucks.. In that situation it make sense because there isn't an abundant amount of people looking to do it.

But the Focus MK3 non ST if they told me they wouldn't sell they are full of it. WAY more MK3s on the Road simple numbers.

Way more non-STs are sold to people who could care less about performance thus, will have no interest in tuning anything. Great argument in theory but, not so much in practice.

[BetaDnB]

Originally Posted by StockTalon

Way more non-STs are sold to people who could care less about performance thus, will have no interest in tuning anything. Great argument in theory but, not so much in practice.

I guarantee most people here bought their Focus because they saw it as a new potential platform for modding. Not just to have a lackluster econobox. I understand we make up a small percentage of all Focus owners, but we're still a bigger volume than ST owners.

[StockTalon]

Originally Posted by BetaDnB

I guarantee most people here bought their Focus because they saw it as a new potential platform for modding. Not just to have a lackluster econobox. I understand we make up a small percentage of all Focus owners, but we're still a bigger volume than ST owners.

I greatly enjoy its lacklusterness.

How many of the people who bought it for its racecar like qualities are really willing to spend that large of a sum of money? Most will put some cheap wheels on it, the cheapest lowering springs they can find then, paint random parts of the car and, add stickers to anything and everything.

[FocusBoy58]

Originally Posted by BetaDnB

I guarantee most people here bought their Focus because they saw it as a new potential platform for modding. Not just to have a lackluster econobox. I understand we make up a small percentage of all Focus owners, but we're still a bigger volume than ST owners.

EASILY and also the fact is if they cracked the ST they can without a doubt do the same in half the time for the older model. Im sorry but its simple numbers why would you limit yourself to one model of the focus.

You cannot tell me it is a business decision because if it was I would have did it. Coming from the guy that owns his own shop at 24 years old on Broad Street near center city Philadelphia.

If we were talking HARDWARE okay sure I can see that. But It is not hardware it is SOFTWARE big mistake in my opinion. Very little overhead in making a tune for a 2012 Focus.

[TORQUERULES]

Originally Posted by StockTalon

Way more non-STs are sold to people who could care less about performance thus, will have no interest in tuning anything. Great argument in theory but, not so much in practice.

SCT offers tuning for previous generation Foci, thus your argument is invalid.