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Old 02-01-2013, 10:42 PM   #41
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So you dumped your Focus and lost a good chunk of money, spent even more money on an Accord Sport, and you're only getting 2-3MPG better than the Focus? That sounds like a poor financial decision to me, but I'm glad you're happy. I was once considering dumping my Focus, but it wasn't for an MPG gain. It was me being stupid. Either way, my MPG in my Focus has been great, no complaints.

Back to the OP's topic, my car drives straight as an arrow in city and on highway here in San Diego. I can easily drive it with one finger. As you already know, something is wrong with your car.

I really hope you get it fixed properly, because this car is awesome to drive!
Well maybe it was worth it for me. The MPG is not the only reason I traded the Focus. I had more problems with it than I care to even list. It was beyond an annoyance.

Now all of my problems are solved.

Also, the Accord Sport was actually *cheaper* than the Titanium. Fully-loaded pre-order it was around $29k.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:27 AM   #42
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This is exactly how my car is! Adjustments are not difficult, I can drive it with 1 finger - but I have to make a correction or give constant pressure - like I'm fighting the crown in the road - pretty much every 3 seconds to stay in my lane. But there really isn't any rhyme or reason to which side I have to push on i.e.: wind, crown, etc.

That's why I didn't think I would qualify for the steering TSB. It doesn't lock up, it just doesn't track straight. Maybe I have an alignment issue or something. But rather than try to fight the dealership, I'm going to live with it. Seems easier. Besides, I'd much rather fight the dealer to fix my clutch than my steering.
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The problem you described is exactly what i am experiencing now, however it is a different problem than the tsb. Before with my old rack, the car drove straight without constant input to the wheel, however over 40mph only, did it sway left and right. At low speeds it drove beautifully. I would have lived with that problem if I knew this current steering situation could occur. right now this steering problem is way worse than the steering wander associated with the tsb.
I just want to clarify here...Praton stated how he has to move the wheel every THREE SECONDS...this is how my car was with the new rack before the most recent alignment in december. From september to december it was every few SECONDS (like praton described) I had to make corrections...now it is maybe a dozen times a minute opposed to many dozens and dozens of times. Still ridiculous.

so it seems like the alignment helped, but according to Dana Ford, it is IN SPEC. and that is that as far as they are concerned.

I cannot wait to bring it back to have them check the steering rack and see what they find, if anything.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:28 AM   #43
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So you dumped your Focus and lost a good chunk of money, spent even more money on an Accord Sport, and you're only getting 2-3MPG better than the Focus? That sounds like a poor financial decision to me, but I'm glad you're happy. I was once considering dumping my Focus, but it wasn't for an MPG gain. It was me being stupid. Either way, my MPG in my Focus has been great, no complaints.

Back to the OP's topic, my car drives straight as an arrow in city and on highway here in San Diego. I can easily drive it with one finger. As you already know, something is wrong with your car.

I really hope you get it fixed properly, because this car is awesome to drive!
His financial loss will be made up in a few years when the Accord has a resale value that a Focus owner could only dream of.

Original poster it sounds like your second steering rack was a defective unit as well, or was installed incorrectly. I remember reading about a year ago when my car had the steering gear replaced that even if the replacement steering gear was good, if it is over-torqued during installation it will have the same issues. I was VERY concerned about this seeing that so many techs have no regard for proper torque specs.
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His financial loss will be made up in a few years when the Accord has a resale value that a Focus owner could only dream of.

Original poster it sounds like your second steering rack was a defective unit as well, or was installed incorrectly. I remember reading about a year ago when my car had the steering gear replaced that even if the replacement steering gear was good, if it is over-torqued during installation it will have the same issues. I was VERY concerned about this seeing that so many techs have no regard for proper torque specs.
I unfortunately believe you are correct and that it was not torqued to spec. Seeing how the service department at the dealer which replaced my rack is run, it is a very big possibility it was not torqued correctly.

I too was fearful of this happening when it was getting installed...
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I was extremely annoying to the dealership about that issue when mine was replaced. Sometimes it pays to be a little annoying though. They printed out a document that had the torque sequence and specs and had the tech follow it during the installation. Now it drives absolutely perfect.

I'm sorry that you're having such a hard time with your car, I'm sure it's frustrating as hell. It's amazing how someone with an internet connection can find out information about a cars issue and the dealer can be so clueless.
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I was extremely annoying to the dealership about that issue when mine was replaced. Sometimes it pays to be a little annoying though. They printed out a document that had the torque sequence and specs and had the tech follow it during the installation. Now it drives absolutely perfect.

I'm sorry that you're having such a hard time with your car, I'm sure it's frustrating as hell. It's amazing how someone with an internet connection can find out information about a cars issue and the dealer can be so clueless.
This is what pisses me off. I shouldn't have to be annoying to someone for them to do their job.

I do my job correctly without having to be told, why can't others?

Especially in this case when something which sounds so simple, tighting bolts, can cause a malfunction.

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electric power steering and these 'automated manual' transmissions strike me as fixing things that are not broken. People always scream about how much gas a torque converter wastes and the like but I've never actually seen this in real life conditions nor have I ever had a problem with torque converters, automatics, or come to detest them as some car people do for whatever reason.... as for electronic power steering, the wandering problem is not limited to fords.. toyota corolla have had and do have the same problem. I want to feel connected to the road, I want the car to drive straight naturally due to the laws of physics at fast interstate speeds, not wander all over because of an electric motor that does not respond to these laws... these items have made me hesitant to upgrade besides the fact that new cars are just plain expensive and a bad economic investment.

Want a real gas mileage boost? Start making more diesel powered vehicles and stop whining about the supposed problems that diesel has... right now my going on 13 year old Grand Am still runs great.. it's supposed to be an unreliable vehicle but it's actually been the opposite, and all the things that do go wrong with it are easily fixed with $40 parts on ebay. (power window regulator, blinker switch, etc) so I see no reason to upgrade 'just because' something might happen.. that's what AAA is for... or upgrade because I'm 'bored' with the car, because I'm actually not. :)
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They're there to meet gov fuel economy standards. Perhaps the standards are broken?
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So you dumped your Focus and lost a good chunk of money, spent even more money on an Accord Sport, and you're only getting 2-3MPG better than the Focus? That sounds like a poor financial decision to me, but I'm glad you're happy. I was once considering dumping my Focus, but it wasn't for an MPG gain. It was me being stupid.
I don't think he dumped the Focus solely for MPG gains. He was probably driven to it by Ford's refusal to correct obvious problems in their product (and their dealerships). Everything is "normal" if they don't want to fix it. That's one way to keep your warranty costs down.

Oh, and way to call him 'stupid' without actually doing so. Bravo! Very clever.

"I once thought of doing the same thing as you, but then I realized I was being stupid." LOL
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I do my job correctly without having to be told, why can't others?
Because most people don't give a shit.

Remember that people who take pride in their work and strive to do a good job are the exception rather than the norm.

Most people are so short-sighted that they can't see past the timeclock. They do as little as possible to keep their jobs and haven't a clue how their performance or lack of it affects the bottom line... nor do they care. Until their employer goes out of business or fires them.
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