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Old 01-17-2013, 09:47 PM   #11
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was kinda thinking more of the 2013+ Fusions but then again i do mean Fusion in general.... assuming the 2.5L transmission would bolt up to the current direct injected D20. or does the 2013+ use the same transmission as the 10-12?
The 2013 uses the exact same transmission as the 2010-2012, even with the 1.6 L EcoBoost or 2.0L EcoBoost engines, same as the 2009-2011 Mercury Mariner, and the 2009-2013 Escape.

They use the 6F35. Many people may like the fact that it is a traditional slushbox, but for me I don't care for how they perform.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:01 PM   #12
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Since most of the components are derived from a manual transmission, the PowerShift transmission will drive, sound, and feel like a manual transmission but without the driver interaction.
Worst sentence ever.

That's quite a comprehensive list of noises, judders and vibrations. Jeez.
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Guys comparing a DSG of a golf or any VW product is still not the same because they are wet setup...the hydraulic action smooths out any roughness or grinding. The focus is a dry setup, which is lighter and cheaper, but no fluids are present to hush the unpleasant characteristics

It should still be noted that several DCTs were indeed faulty, and even if this is the normal operation of the transmissions, Ford should know better than to think customers will believe/accept that

More reason to get an actual manual!
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I'm completely in love with the 6-speed in the ST. Best M/T I've used since my '86 Civic Si. I'm still wondering why they didn't just use that in all the M/T Focuses. Is the 5-speed from the Fusion?
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I'm completely in love with the 6-speed in the ST. Best M/T I've used since my '86 Civic Si. I'm still wondering why they didn't just use that in all the M/T Focuses. Is the 5-speed from the Fusion?
The MTX-75 was used in the original Focus and every U.S. Focus 5 speed manual since then.

The 6MT in the ST was originally used in the Mondeo behind a turbodiesel engine with slightly different internal gear ratios. The MTX-75 is a Ford gearbox, the MMT6 is another Ford-Getrag gearbox and is layed out internally similarly to the DCT in terms of having two sets of gears in a single case and two final drives, although the MMT6 is older than the DCT.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:01 AM   #17
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i still say this all could have been avoided if they just used the fusion 6 speed auto.
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i still say this all could have been avoided if they just used the Fusion 6 speed auto. i don't know if the DCT was already being sold in Europe, but if not then couldn't they have saved some money just by sourcing the Fusion transmission?
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agreed!
100% disagreed. If they were going to do this I would not have bought my car, at least not equipped this way.

The only way that would have been acceptable is if a 6MT similar to the MMT6 but with the appropriate gearing changes for the less powerful engine in the standard MK3 Focus was available.

The 6F35 has no real agreeable traits other than the low speed creeping characteristic based on the torque multiplication provided by the torque converter.

A naturally aspirated 2.0 L engine is not well suited to having a torque converter behind it to sap the life out of it.
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I came from exclusively driving manual transmissions to the DCT when I bought my Focus. I definitely like how it behaves like a manual transmission, but if you came from driving only slushbox autos, I could understand how the DCT would feel funny. The noises don't bother me, it's what comes with automation of a manual trans. Mine's not too noisy anyway.
Love the 2nd gear whine while decelerating :3
Also love the downshifting with revmatching. Downshifting a slushbox auto is the worst feeling in the world to me. GLURK
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Guys comparing a DSG of a golf or any VW product is still not the same because they are wet setup...the hydraulic action smooths out any roughness or grinding. The focus is a dry setup, which is lighter and cheaper, but no fluids are present to hush the unpleasant characteristics

It should still be noted that several DCTs were indeed faulty, and even if this is the normal operation of the transmissions, Ford should know better than to think customers will believe/accept that

More reason to get an actual manual!
I like to use the motorcycle comparison to demonstrate to those non familiar with our DCT. The VAG DSG transmission is much like most motorcycle manual transmissions (wet clutch packs), the shift action and clutch engagement is very smooth, in fact, you can "slip" wet clutches all day long and they don't really complain. Now, take our dry clutch DCT setup, I liken it to a dry clutch Ducati transmission.. Every ride a modern Ducati? The clutch housing is quite noisey (especially at idle in neutral -sounds like tambourine), it is tricky to get a smooth shift out of one and you are very "aware" of gear selection and clutch positon, simply by the loud noises and "clunkiness" of it all. BUT, it is a much more effecient setup (no parasitic losses from the clutches spinning in oil), and no "slippage" when engaging gears. Another benefit from a dry clutch setup is no clutch fibres (normal wear and tear) contaminating your oil. That's why most conventional (Japanese bikes anyway) motorcycles require very frequent oil changes (3000kms usually) ---- the oil gets black from the clutch fibres, literally. Look at a Ducati's oil at 3-5k... still golden yellow/brown.
That is probably why VW/Audi require the frequent DSG oil changes at a somewhat great expense....

Is the DCT better than VW's DSG? That is not a simple answer, I guess the best answer I give people is, "they're different. Ask a Ducati owner if his loud, noisey dry clutch motorcyle is better than most Japanese bikes, and he will give you a resounding "Hell, yes".. that is Italian music", whereas, Honda/Kawi/Yamaha/Suzuki owner's consider it loud and "unfriendly", they'll stick with thier nice and "quiet" wet clutch setups.
I don't know about you, but, I quite like not having my clutches in the same oil as my transmission... longer life and almost no maintenance. When it comes to bikes, well, I've been riding and racing them for much of my 42 years on this earth, and while I do like Ducati's, I'll stick with the Japanese bikes, since they are considerably cheaper (and easier to fix.. LOL)

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