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Old 01-13-2013, 07:31 PM   #11
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Mustangs and high end cars have glass roofs, I like the idea only if they're Smart Glass (electrochromic) like an auto dim mirror, and they have those already. On a hardtop the sheetmetal in the center isn't doing a whole lot for structural integrity, if the chassis is stiff enough you could glass in it's place. Plus it looks like the glass roof cars have sort a roll cage. I remember they wanted to do glass roof on the 99-04 Mustangs, but the floppy 70's chassis wouldn't allow it.

I just wish Lincoln wold name their cars. "MKZ" and "MKC" that's going to get confusing at the parts counter.
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My biggest gripe is how Ford is donning Lincoln with these concepts that are all beautifully designed but are also sporty and athletic looking. To me, that is not what a Lincoln should be.

Lincoln needs to be the last word in luxury. The American Rolls Royce, if you will.

This isn't it.
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I like it. Should work well for FMC.
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My biggest gripe is how Ford is donning Lincoln with these concepts that are all beautifully designed but are also sporty and athletic looking. To me, that is not what a Lincoln should be.

Lincoln needs to be the last word in luxury. The American Rolls Royce, if you will.

This isn't it.
Except that is not what Lincoln brand is competing with. Lincoln is competing with companies like BMW, Audi, Infiniti and Lexus.

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That roof is godly.. I'd be surprised if they were able to make that on the real one considering all the safety standards and everything.
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This.

No way would that roof ever make it out of the concept, they also forgot the doorhandles lol
Yes, they forgot the door handles. Don't make judgement right now. Have you seen the 2013 MKZ Roof? It was a concept in 2012. Oh and the they forget the door handles then too. 2013 MKZ-2012 NAIAS

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Looks great.

Will this one catch fire as well?
maybe if it had a 1.6 Ecoboost but I highly doubt it will.
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Except that is not what Lincoln brand is competing with. Lincoln is competing with companies like BMW, Audi, Infiniti and Lexus.
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maybe if it had a 1.6 Ecoboost but I highly doubt it will.
First of all, "Competing" is the problem here. Why compete? Give the other companies something to compete with instead of the other way around.

And why wouldn't this concept have the 1.6? My guess is the only engine options would be a 1.6 and 2.0. Its not too important, it will most likely have next generation ecoboost engines anyway; but if they were to start production tomorrow I would put my money on the 1.6 being the standard engine.
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First of all, "Competing" is the problem here. Why compete? Give the other companies something to compete with instead of the other way around.

And why wouldn't this concept have the 1.6? My guess is the only engine options would be a 1.6 and 2.0. Its not too important, it will most likely have next generation ecoboost engines anyway; but if they were to start production tomorrow I would put my money on the 1.6 being the standard engine.

Seriously? Lincoln is trying target buyers who would normally buy BMW, Audi, etc to buy/try a new Lincoln. What do you want Ford to have their own segment so that there is no possible competition? Introducing the new Lincoln MKE (Mark Econoline). I'm sure other automotive companies will be chasing that idea. That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on this forum. There is always going to be competition.

Are you willing to make a bet? I can almost guarantee that it will not have a 1.6l.

The 2013 MKZ is the same platform as the 2013 Fusion. The Fusion has 2.5 NA, 1.6 Ecoboost and 2.0 Ecoboost. Lincoln never carries over the base Ford engines into their vehicles. The 2013 MKZ has the 2.0 Ecoboost and 3.7 NA V6. Most likely the MKC will have the 2.0l Ecoboost along with another higher end engine such as the 2.3l Ecoboost.
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I genuinely don't think you know what you're talking about.

Seriously. The only vehicles Lincoln is competing with at its current level are other Ford vehicles. They need to step it up or go home. In my honest opinion, if Ford wanted to keep this path of just building redesigned/luxury version of other Ford vehicles, they killed off the wrong company. Lincoln should have died in 2010 and Mercury should still be here. Mercury namesakes like Sable are much more notable than MKS.

Ford keeps talking about a "Comeback" for Lincoln and they're not coming back if Ford keeps -footing around with "me-too" concepts like this Escape clone.

Also, the Mkz fits a V6 because it is a different platform. Fusion/Mkz is not the topic of discussion.

This concept is built on the Escape which is on the Global C1 platform. We haven't seen a V6 on this platform or even heard of it. If this went into production tomorrow, 1.6 base, 2.0 optional is the most likely combination. It won't matter (as I've previously stated and you've clearly misunderstood) as next generation ecoboost engines are more apt to be on the spec sheet instead.

I would NOT count on seeing a V6 on this platform, ever.
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I genuinely don't think you know what you're talking about.

Seriously. The only vehicles Lincoln is competing with at its current level are other Ford vehicles. They need to step it up or go home. In my honest opinion, if Ford wanted to keep this path of just building redesigned/luxury version of other Ford vehicles, they killed off the wrong company. Lincoln should have died in 2010 and Mercury should still be here. Mercury namesakes like Sable are much more notable than MKS.

Ford keeps talking about a "Comeback" for Lincoln and they're not coming back if Ford keeps -footing around with "me-too" concepts like this Escape clone.

Also, the Mkz fits a V6 because it is a different platform. Fusion/Mkz is not the topic of discussion.

This concept is built on the Escape which is on the Global C1 platform. We haven't seen a V6 on this platform or even heard of it. If this went into production tomorrow, 1.6 base, 2.0 optional is the most likely combination. It won't matter (as I've previously stated and you've clearly misunderstood) as next generation ecoboost engines are more apt to be on the spec sheet instead.

I would NOT count on seeing a V6 on this platform, ever.
I'm insulted that you would ever say such an ignorant thing.

I could honestly go on about this argument. Tooling, and design costs prohibit Ford to have Lincoln specific vehicles.

I wish I could tell you more but you'll just have to wait for the vehicles release. My bet is the 2.0L Ecoboost base engine with a 2.3L Ecoboost as an option. They'll save the 1.6 for the Escape.

And FYI if you knew what you were talking then you would know that the Fusion and MKZ are build on the same CD4 platform. Actually they are built on the CD4.1 which is also shared with the Mondeo. They're three renditions of CD4 platform.

If you think a Lincoln is re-badged Ford then don't buy a Lincoln I don't know what else to tell you. I'll be the bigger man and end this conversation.
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CD4 has nothing to do with the Escape. What are you talking about.

You are not reading my posts; you are banging your head on the keyboard with knee-jerk responses.
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CD4 has nothing to do with the Escape. What are you talking about.

You are not reading my posts; you are banging your head on the keyboard with knee-jerk responses.
Why do you always have to describe yourself in the third person? Anyone reading this knows you are talking about yourself. I was using the CD platform for comparison.


The Fusion and the MKZ do not share the same exact engine line up. The Fusion and the MKZ are built on the same platform. The Escape and MKC are built on the same platform. Therefore the Escape and MKC probably will not share the same engine line.

This is about as lay as I can get. Unless you need me to write for you in crayon or something.
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