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Old 01-08-2013, 04:33 PM   #11
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99% of locksmiths make house calls, I couldn't see towing a car to a guy that does most of his work out of a van. If the locksmith is no good, you have two tow bills.
This guy does, but at that distance it is almost the same to just get it towed to his shop as he charges almost the same cost to drive out there and do it.

At least towing to the locksmith shop its closer to my home.

At this rate, I might just let the wrecker keep it and call it even.
It's really not worth that much money.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:36 PM   #12
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You have no choice but the locksmith...

ALL makers of cars make the dealerships use the 10 year or 7 year policy not to sell a new car, but to keep inventory at a certain level.
If your part is 10+ years old, 99% of the time its Junkyard or Autozone...

Can you imagine if I went to a dealer and had a fit over Ford not having a Key for a Model T in stock?? hahahah


BUY your keys on eBay then give them to the locksmith, GET 3 keys Total..


He will use a cheapo key to get the right fit from the door, then transfer that to the ignition, then program the keys
Understood, but its not about keeping stock. As far as I understand, they have the tumbler codes and input that into the machine that spits out the key.

Even if they don't want to keep blanks, how much data and trouble is it to give me the tumbler codes so I can get a key made somewhere else.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:44 AM   #13
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Milton, I could find nothing in that 10th post, maybe I'm blind. Regardless, I was speaking obviously off the cuff rather than out of knowledge........
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:04 AM   #14
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PATS Master Key vs Clone key

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Milton, I could find nothing in that 10th post, maybe I'm blind. Regardless, I was speaking obviously off the cuff rather than out of knowledge........
Hey no problem, sometimes the whole PATS system can be confusing, People think that if they have 2 working keys that guarantees that they can introduce a third key and then they do not understand why that is not a guarantee. When I got my 2007 Focus it came with one master key and a clone of that master. When the clone key started failing I was forced to learn how the PATS keys work. Here is the information that provides a basic understanding of the PATS system:

A PATS key has an RFID chip embeded in the handle. When you insert the key into the ignition the computer reads the chip and if it's ID matches one of up to six IDs stored in it's memory your computer will work with it. If the cut pattern of the key matches the cyclinder then you can rotate the ignition switch and all works. If the chip does not match one of the 6 stored IDs, or if the computer is unable to read the key's chip, your computer will not start the car even if the key rotates the ignition switch. So even if your new key does have a PATS chip, if it is not paired with you car's computer so it will not work.

There are a couple of ways a locksmith can make a key for you:
DEFINITION: A "Master Key" is just a key whose ID has been paired (accepted and stored) into your car's computer.

1) Clone a master key: The key blank for these have an even fatter handle and do not have a FORD logo. After the locksmith cuts the teeth pattern, they read the ID from a "known working" key and write it to the newly cut key, hence you have a clone of the original key. In my experience these clones stop working in a couple of years. Also as far as your PATS system is concerned this cloned key does not count as a second master key. Some clones have a battery that requires replacing.

2) Make a new master key: A new OEM blank is used, and it's chip already has an unchangable ID. The locksmith cuts the teeth and the key's ID is paired to your car's computer.

3) Pairing a new master: If you have two master keys (not a master and it's clone) you can pair it yourself. If you do not then the locksmith can connect a computer to your car and pair the new key in about 10 minutes.

I went through all of this on my Focus when the cloned master died. In the San Antonio area it cost me about $35 for a locksmith to create a new master from an OEM blank and pair it to my car.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:58 AM   #15
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Are we saying here that if I successfully programmed a third key myself, the the first two I already had HAD to be different IDed masters? Is that a normal Ford process to give two masters with a new car? I had always assumed anything beyond the original key was a clone and there was only one ID kept by PCM even though it can do more if needed. And which of the masters was the one cloned?

Sorry but you got me awake now..............LOL.
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I had this same problem a few weeks ago and the locksmith was able to cut a key just from the VIN. He then had to plug some computer device into my OBD II port to make the car accept my key. It took all of 15 minutes, but cost a couple hundred for two new keys.
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