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Old 12-28-2012, 08:12 PM   #41
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I'd stay away from the BMW 1-series. They're barely BMWs. Also, if you live in a place that snows stay away from the FR-S/BR-Z. They're extremely light RWD cars with too much HP for the weight. They're still really slow, but they can't get traction. They were literally made as like a borderline-drifter car.

The WRX is awesome for sure, but requires premium gas. The Mazdaspeed3 is great, but looks dumb now. I'd also suggest the Accord Sport. I just picked one up two days ago and *love* it.
So I just looked at the Honda website since you mentioned the Accord. I think of the cars Honda sells, I would consider the Civic Si the most interesting. That said, the Hyundai Genesis would probably make my list before the Civic. My second car was an '89 Civic, which was a great little car. But Honda's styling isn't great for me right now.
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:01 PM   #42
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I just added the Genesis 2.0T R-Spec to the list after seeing this video: http://youtu.be/o70fi2OLwLo

I know the Genesis tested in the video is the 3.8 liter monster, but the 2.0T has good power with better mileage and a lower price tag.
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:25 PM   #43
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Check out the CNET review of the WRX. They mention that the platform and the technology in the car are outdated. But they also say it's due for a total update in the next year or two, so you'd be wise to wait for the new version to come to market. Or if you like the current model, the resale value should drop a lot once the new version is put on sale.
I'm aware of the update. I just don't think it will look at good as the model years I referenced, nor do I think they will improve it enough to where it's worth waiting for. Unless they are finally planning on dropping the damn 5 speed I wouldn't wait on it.

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I just added the Genesis 2.0T R-Spec to the list after seeing this video: http://youtu.be/o70fi2OLwLo

I know the Genesis tested in the video is the 3.8 liter monster, but the 2.0T has good power with better mileage and a lower price tag.
It's a nice car and I considered one briefly before going with the Focus.

My main complaint is that the engine is doggish in stock form. There is a guy on my local forum who has owned one for a while and that was his biggest complaint. Even with a reflash and bolt-ons I wouldn't say it makes very good numbers compared to other engines of it's type and size.

However, there is quite a bit of potential in that engine once you go bigger turbo, swapping out internals, and getting a proper tune...

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Old 12-31-2012, 05:26 PM   #44
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Bwill9886...that's a pretty good case to just get the V6.
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Bwill9886...that's a pretty good case to just get the V6.
Indeed sir... And then supercharger/twin turbo!
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I'd consider a Jetta Turbo Hybrid also. With a combined 170hp/184lb-ft and a consumption of 4.6/4.2 L/100 km (51/56 mpg) it is very appealing.
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I'd consider a Jetta Turbo Hybrid also. With a combined 170hp/184lb-ft and a consumption of 4.6/4.2 L/100 km (51/56 mpg) it is very appealing.
Just saw this a few days ago.

I'm glad Volkswagen is trying something different, but I would be very sceptical of the mileage claims (Mostly because it seems like no car company wants to be honest about the MPG's of their "mileage flagship" cars) and I bet maintenance will eat you alive. More-so than a typical VW!

And let's not even get into it's initial cost.

Again though, I like the concept. Hopefully there is more follow-through on this.
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Might check into the hpfp issues on the tdi. Kept me from buying one.

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Might check into the hpfp issues on the tdi. Kept me from buying one.

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I know about it, it is the same that kept me far from VW TDi. But the model they propose is a gasoline engine, so no problems here. Besides, the HPFP problem is due to the low quality of diesel more than anything. Trust me, I looked a lot and read a lot before gaving up on the TDi. The only thing that made me go away from the TDI was the lack of good VW shops in my area.
But I still hope they will find a solution for HPFP and I will get my diesel soon. Or maybe Ford will come up with one of its models from Europe. That would be great !!
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Just saw this a few days ago.

I'm glad Volkswagen is trying something different, but I would be very sceptical of the mileage claims...
With the technology they had in it, I don't think it is too far from the reality. Imagine how would be our Focus with the start-stop technology in it ? I'd bet that 35 mpg would be very easy to obtain in city driving.

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