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Old 12-26-2012, 08:00 PM   #21
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I been on the mazda forums for a couple months and joined in local chapter of the midwest mazda club. I havnt been to any of the meets yet due to work but I have heard nothing but good things about the MS3. Eveyone who has one says the ST don't stand a chance against one. I myself have fallen in love with the MS6 it's awd too. I don't think there is anything wrong with having a car that is raw, and loud. I think those make the best drivers cars. I would want a car that makes me need to drive and pay attention to what I'm doing. Not one I can just get in and go. I depends ones taste, don't get me wrong u have heard very good things about the ST. I just like to put mazda out there cause so many people over look it as a company they don't see the potental and the build qu;ity these cars have. After buying my first mazda a 2 months ago I don't know why anyone would want to own anything else. I riden and/ or drove in a crap load of new and used cars both higher and lower ends. Honda, nissian, ford, chevy, dodge, hyundi, buick, mercury, lincoln, hummer, saab, many others. I would recommend the mazda to anyone. I see all thses people in the cheap looking, cheaply build, plastic interior GM cars of the '90s and I feel like I rolling in a Bentley next to them. The butt of the story give mazda a try and don't go after some ones word, I wish I would have looked into mazda well before I did.

On top of everything else the mazda forums hands down the one of greatest group of people I've ever talked to. No bicker on who's site is better, or your car lloks like shit on those wheel. Its just a bunch of car enthusiest sharing the love for a car company.
Just to add, A D-tech is a mzr motor. I looked at the MP3's & The 1st "Speeds"= Mp3 w/ a turbo were the 1st Mazdaspeed's.
Not really, there was a Mazda Mazdaspeed Protege, it wasn't very special or fast though.

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In 2003, Mazdaspeed introduced the Mazdaspeed Protegé, an update to the Protegé MP3 that had a 170 hp (127 kW; 172 PS) / 160 lb·ft (217 N·m) turbocharged engine, shared the MP3's full Racing Beat suspension, redesigned 17-inch (430 mm) wheels, larger four-wheel disc brakes, and a Kenwood stereo system that included an amplifier along with a rear-deck mounted 8-inch (200 mm) sub. Mazda then followed with a mid year change dubbed the "2003.5." This model included a different aero-kit, the same 17-inch (430 mm) Racing Hart wheels, but with a darker color, and custom interior pieces. In total, there were 4,500 Mazdaspeed Protegé models produced of which 1,750 were painted Black/Orange for first version and 2,750 of the mid-year model that were finished in Yellow/Titanium/Blue/Silver.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:58 PM   #22
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I know that the Focus gets into premium territory, but I am always surprised with the people that cross shop it with Cadillac and BMWs and the like!
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Mazda Speed3?

6 speed MT, FWD, 263hp / 280ft-lb, 25 MPG highway, $24K
0-60 5.2 sec

Comments: Standard dual-zone automatic climate control, Bluetooth® hands-free phone and audio capability† and 265-watt Bose® audio system with 10 speakers. Available 5.8" color touchscreen display with navigation system, Pandora audio, HD Radio, and SiriusXM™ Satellite Radio with free 4-month subscription**
I was avoiding this because I have a special disdain for the Mazda "smiley face" grill. But you make a good point, and it's added to the list.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:06 PM   #24
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BMW's are cute, but consider the range of the car. 1 series is your entry level BMW. 7 Series is the top of the line, If i were to buy a BMW i would wait till i could afford a 5 series or higher. the 3 series have notorious electrical issues. so with that what the heck is wrong with teh 1 series to make a cheaper model. what did they cut out or reduce to lower the costs? If i were you i would basically equate the 1 series BMW to the Chevy Aveo. Its cute, it has the Badge, but i would not want it sitting in my driveway. especially with the costs of repairs on what are considered higher class imports.
That's rough comparing a 128i to an Aveo. Reviews I've read about the 1-series suggest it is what the 3-series used to be, and what the 3-series should be now--a lighter version of the pigged out 3. I think it's cheaper because it's just physically less car; but I'm sure you're right about cost of ownership being higher than the other cars.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:10 PM   #25
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I had a very similar list I went thru last week. Eliminated the GTI for maintenance expenses, if you consider the WRX STI as mentioned above be prepared to see a sticker price of over $40k. Can't really compare that car to a ST for mutliple reasons esp being awd. The Speed 3 was ok, but had terrible torque steer issues. Being able to negotiate a ST2 with nav and moonroof to the price of a base WRX sealed the deal for me. Before you dis the ST for issues you've had with your previous Focus, go drive one, you will be surprised how much tighter it handles and performs, coming from a '12 ti owner. (Now the wife's ride). Good luck with your decision!.
I agree...at the moment, the ST would be a winner for me, with the TDI a close 2nd (though I'd have to look into the VW's electrical issues mentioned above).
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Good insight from a former MS3 owner, thanks!

Like the OP, I'm starting to consider my next-car purchase. Current plan is to buy a new Focus ST in a few years and keep the SVT as a winter car, but I'm really tempted to get a 07-09 MS3 for a year round DD. It would save a hell of a lot of money over the ST, and I have always had a thing for the Gen-1 MS3. Had a chance to drive the new ST and came away as impressed as I thought I would be, but haven't driven an MS3 yet.

To the OP, St. Louis doesn't get a whole lot of snow in winter does it? I bet a RWD car with a good set of winters, or possibly even all-seasons, may get you by. Also worth noting is that the Focus (and other hatchbacks) obviously offer more interior and cargo space, and while that may not be a necessity in a daily manner, having the ability to occasionally haul a large amount or awkwardly-shaped crap is very valuable. That said, good list! I'd take any one of those cars, (if they were given to me!)
Not totally sure about the winters yet...only been here a few years. The first winter was a blizzard every week. The next winter we got almost no snow. So it's hit and miss, I guess. You can tell I'm nervous about a RWD car though...mostly don't want to get caught out in the snow and be "that guy" who can't pull away from a stop sign. Truth be told I've got a 1998 Nissan Frontier 4X4 as my non-commuter car, which I drive on the weekends and when I think the roads will be slick. So I probably make too much out of the RWD vs FWD, as long as my truck keeps working for me.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:20 PM   #27
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Have you looked at the new Fusion?

You can get the SE with EcoBoost engine / 6 speed manual for less than $25K.
I actually commented to the Ford salesman last time I was in for an oil change that it's hard to believe the new Fusion was only $22,000 (the one on their lot anyway). Seems like a lot of car for that price. It just seems a bit too much like a family car for my needs at the moment.
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I know that the Focus gets into premium territory, but I am always surprised with the people that cross shop it with Cadillac and BMWs and the like!
I guess I wouldn't group my SE with those brands (although it feels refined beyond its price tag), but the ST belongs in the conversation.
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When I bought my car, I was kind of hoping my next car purchase wouldn't be until somewhere around 2020...
Lol! That thing still giving you a hard time?
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These might be odd choices, but Buicks make good commuter cars, right?

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