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Old 12-18-2012, 08:08 PM   #21
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Just bought a 2013 with DCT, after some hesitation due to all the problems reported on this board concerning the DCT in the 2012's. What made me decide to go ahead is the nearly total lack of comments on the board about problems in the 2013 models. I did, however, decide to kick in an extra $1100 for the extended warranty (something I very rarely do for any purchase), which takes me out to 6 years or 75,000 miles. The peace of mind is worth it.

First impressions - this is the best time I've had in a car since my wife and I were dating in high school (if you know what I mean).

Great performance, great build, phenomenal handling. I couldn't be happier. I feel sorry for all of those who have seemed to have had such a miserable experience with their 2012 DCTs, but maybe Ford has figured it out? I sure hope so because I don't want the fun to end.
I bought mine about three weeks ago. Like you, I did my research and I concluded that the issues seem to pertain mostly to the 2012's, not the 2013's. Things started out nicely, but now that I've accumulated over 1500 miles, I'm experiencing the same issues that many here on this board have complained about, specifically the MFT and DCT.

What I'm hoping for is that the collective knowledge and experience of other Focus owners here on this board will help to identify the root cause of my car's trouble and the remedy's to repair it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:19 PM   #22
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I agree with you to a certain point, then I am not that much. I do agree that Ford people - especially Ford specialists (technical) should have train the dealers technical staff about the DCT and how to solve problems without spitting in the Customer face : "It is normal" !
But I don't agree with the statement that Ford should have programmed the DCT flawlessly. Why ? Because there are so many variables in a daily driving that I think it is almost impossible to simulate everything.

The shuttering for me, as someone comming from a life of driving manuals only, it is like when trying to upshift when the engine has no enough "power" to sustain the upshift. Or as if you try to go from a full stop with the car in the 2nd or 3rd. In the MT, the whole car is shaking, with the DCT, it is only in the acceleration pedal. This is why I think the problems reported here are not DCT system related, but its programming.

From my experience with my DCT - and I had my part of problems with the DCT AFTER my ex-dealer did a programming of the PCM and TCM last february - I can say it without being too ofset from the truth. Why ? Because everything was back on the right track after another programming of the PCM-TCM in april 2012. And yes, I also had my share of "It is normal !" while I had 12 000 km on it to prove it is not. Before february 2012 the DCT was great but I wanted to have the latest update at the time. Good wish, wrong dealer.

I also learnt how to drive the DCT, which is not a real automatic. Like when turning, I press a bit the break pedal to force the car to downshift and then push the gas to have a smooth passing. I am not babying my DCT either.
My issues started after the latest update take a look on my thread http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304642

It was extremely frustraiting.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:49 AM   #23
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The shuttering for me, as someone comming from a life of driving manuals only, it is like when trying to upshift when the engine has no enough "power" to sustain the upshift. Or as if you try to go from a full stop with the car in the 2nd or 3rd. In the MT, the whole car is shaking, with the DCT, it is only in the acceleration pedal. This is why I think the problems reported here are not DCT system related, but its programming.
Exactly. Programming. Agreed, but I make my living programming fuel injection and I can tell you that EVERY, yes EVERY possible scenario of driving conditions and driver input can be addressed in the programming. It all comes down simply to load on the engine, driver throttle input, engine temp, timing (even knock retard to stop detonation will affect performance), and finally, air / fuel ratio for economy, power, and engine health.
I'm telling you, give me and another programmer a full time job with Ford (a two man job could do this), and this trans can be dialed in to perfection. I can only assume that Ford corporate is not willing to put the money into a non-Lincoln. There is absolutely no reason on earth that a computer controlled trans should be allowed to make a mistake and cause shifting like a guy driving a manual from a stop in 2nd or 3rd gear.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:18 AM   #24
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I have a 2012 SEL - 5/12 build as well and do not seem to notice any issues. I attribute the way that the transmission revs as normal. But then again, I do not know what I'd look for to determine otherwise. I always have power when I need it and think that the stop n' go in the city is just like a manual.
I also have a 2012 SEL - 3/12, I have only had one issue and it seemed to be a one of...When I would put the car in reverse I would lose power steering so I took it to the shop and they replaced what they were calling a wire harness in the engine compartment. Since this I have been fortunate and feel really bad for those who are having issues, it is bs.

I wonder if there are SELs with issues...I think they no longer offer an SEL though in the 2013s.
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I also have a 2012 SEL - 3/12, I have only had one issue and it seemed to be a one of...When I would put the car in reverse I would lose power steering so I took it to the shop and they replaced what they were calling a wire harness in the engine compartment. Since this I have been fortunate and feel really bad for those who are having issues, it is bs.

I wonder if there are SELs with issues...I think they no longer offer an SEL though in the 2013s.
The only reason they got rid of the SEL was to make the SE more expensive by adding the features from the SEL onto the SE to bring the price to just below that of the Titanium.

This and some misguided brand recognition as part of a strategy called good better best to streamline the model line down to three standard series S, SE, Ti, along with the Electric and ST as seperate sub model trees.

The transmission issues could theoretically affect any 2012+ since they all use the same gearbox, although the later programming and clutch packs seemed to have been much improved in many cases.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:17 PM   #26
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Exactly. Programming. Agreed, but I make my living programming fuel injection and I can tell you that EVERY, yes EVERY possible scenario of driving conditions and driver input can be addressed in the programming.
How about clutches that are "fried" or contaminated with oil?
Can those be "addressed in the programming" so that the clutch engagement is always smooth?
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How about clutches that are "fried" or contaminated with oil?
Can those be "addressed in the programming" so that the clutch engagement is always smooth?
Funny guy, Kabigon.
You know as well as I that I'm referring to factory programming of a new "mechanically healthy" vehicle. Goes without saying that leaking seals and/or abuse have nothing to do with programming. That's a quality control issue. I'm talking about mostly 2012s that, despite having no seal leaks or oil on the clutches, have poor engagement and shifting characteristics. That being said, it's also well documented that many many 2012 owners have no performance issues at all. Seems to be a crap shoot. Maybe that's why it is what it is. There might be too many mechanical tolerance variations in these DCTs to make a program work for all. That would explain why some owners report no problems and some owner's problems never seem to go away.
All this being said, my 2013 was frickin horrible the first 300 miles, got much better from 300 to 3200, and better again at 3200. Three definite steps. Strange.
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How about clutches that are "fried" or contaminated with oil?
Can those be "addressed in the programming" so that the clutch engagement is always smooth?
I can't guarantee if it's the new programming or the winter tires or the cold weather, but my shifts got quieter with the 2013 programming put on (After 12B37 that results in 40mph shifts into 6th, but a laggy / less "fun" shift).

It still makes some weird noises and occasionally shakes when turning, but I think that's because the clutch was ruined before the update from 39k miles of bad shifting - whether that be because it is glazed or contaminated with oil.

Ideally, you'd want a clean clutch, yes. You'd think with the TCM recall, they'd have added a DTC for "excessive clutch slipping" or something so that at least we don't look crazy when we go to the dealers.
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I'm surprised the after market tuners have not been working on these cars. I know they are tuning the new eco boost cars.
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There is no tuning for the MKIII yet , Thats the problem

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