I think this car is underrated by at least 12 HP

[sleepyboy]

There are many variables that come into account altitude, temperature, humidity, and most important the dyno. Each dyno will read different. The consensus is though these easily put down 140hp+ and respond to bolt on's very well.

[jmiller_1974]

Sounds more like your butt dyno needs to be re-calibrated

[dyn085]

Besides, even if we were to assume that they were under-rated by some random number, wouldn't you rather have that than have a car that was over-rated? Imagine spinning the dyno to sub-130hp numbers on an engine rated at 160hp...

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter anyways. You don't drive the engine, you drive the car. I'll take whatever I can get, preferably for as cheap as possible

[TboneZX3]

Originally Posted by TCOC rel1

DCT's are recording 141 fwhp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQ-K...ure=watch-vrec

Right. The DCT is an automated manual transmission. The typically higher hp loss of automatics comes down to the use of a torque converter, which the DCT does not have.

That is why I stated that 12% is not way off the mark.

[_RED_]

You can always just check the dyno thread to compare and see what peeps have put down.

[greg hazlett]

^^ this!

I dyno'd mine bone stock with the DCT and then with the Injen RAI same day, 30 mins apart...the traditional 20% drivetrain loss is associated with RWD cars that have TC's, d/s's, etc...12% loss is pretty accurate.