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Old 11-02-2012, 02:59 PM   #41
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Dysan911, They only ordered the new seal. Will they check the clutches once they open it up?
Umm... yeah - you definitely need a new clutch too.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:02 PM   #42
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Dysan911, They only ordered the new seal. Will they check the clutches once they open it up?

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Yes. When they ordered my parts too they kept referring to the seals but it includes the clutches as well. They are most likely compromised.

I actually called my Service rep back and asked. "Hey does this TSB with the seals mean I'm getting the clutches replaced". and she said absolutely. Trust me you can tell. They bite hard now and don't' let go when you need the power and also in every day driving.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:12 PM   #43
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I called them back and asked if they had ordered the clutches with the seal and they said no. He said that they would check them when they are replacing the seal but he didn't think there would be a problem.

When they are replacing the seal, how much effort is involved in checking the clutches?

What would they be looking for to tell if they have been compromised?

Seems like they would just replace them since they are already right there? How much are they?

Thanks for all of your responses! I want to have as much information as possible so that this is done right the first time.

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Old 11-02-2012, 10:43 PM   #44
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I called them back and asked if they had ordered the clutches with the seal and they said no. He said that they would check them when they are replacing the seal but he didn't think there would be a problem.

When they are replacing the seal, how much effort is involved in checking the clutches?

What would they be looking for to tell if they have been compromised?

Seems like they would just replace them since they are already right there? How much are they?

Thanks for all of your responses! I want to have as much information as possible so that this is done right the first time.

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The TSB requires that the clutch pack be replaced as if there is an oil seal leak onto the clutch material it can cause it to slip and get destroyed so if they are stupid and don't order the clutch pack at the same time then you're not going to get the car back and working properly any time soon.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:48 PM   #45
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Thanks suss6052!

I guess I have only seen part of the TSB (a description of the problem). Do you have a complete version that states the clutch be replaced? I would like to have that information when I talk to my dealer.

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I guess I have only seen part of the TSB (a description of the problem). Do you have a complete version that states the clutch be replaced? I would like to have that information when I talk to my dealer.

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11-12-13 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID LEAK

Publication Date: December 23, 2011

FORD: 2012 Focus


ISSUE:
Some 2012 Focus vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission may exhibit a transmission fluid leak from the transmission clutch housing.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Inspect the base of the transmission clutch housing for evidence of transmission fluid leak. Transmission fluid will be slick versus sticky.
If the fluid leak is sticky and honey colored, it may be mistaken for engine oil or transmission lubricant. This condition may be caused by excessive rust inhibitor applied to the flywheel during manufacturing. Wipe clean the rust inhibitor from the transmission housing with Motorcraft® Metal Brake Parts Cleaner or equivalent.
Is transmission fluid present at the base of the transmission clutch housing?
Yes - Proceed to Step 3.
No - This procedure does not apply. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 307-11 for normal diagnostics.
Replace both the inner input shaft seal, located between both input shafts and the hollow outer input shaft case seal. Refer to WSM, Section 307-01.
Verify clutch self-adjusters are locked on clutch assembly. Refer to WSM, Section 307-01.
Install a new Clutch Assembly Kit. Follow instructions provided in the kit.
NOTE: CLUTCH SELF ADJUSTER LOCKS MUST BE RELEASED BEFORE TRANSMISSION IS INSTALLED OR CLUTCH WILL NOT OPERATE.



Install the transmission assembly. Refer to WSM, Section 307-01.
Perform Adaptive Drive Cycle. Refer to WSM, Section 307-01.
NOTE: FAILURE TO PERFORM ALL STEPS OF THE ADAPTIVE LEARNING ROUTINES AND THE DRIVE CYCLE MAY RESULT IN ERRATIC SHIFTS AND DRIVEABILITY CONCERNS




PART NUMBER PART NAME
W705448-S441 Flexplate-To-Clutch Nuts (2 Pkg Req)
W715491-S442 Ball Joint Bolt
W520415-S442 Ball Joint Nut
YS4Z-3N324-AA Bearing Retainer Strap
W520102-S442 Bearing Retainer Nut
AE8Z-1S177-A Halfshaft Seal Kit (2 Req)
XT-11-QDC Motorcraft® Dual Clutch Trans Fluid
AE8Z-7052-A Input Shaft Seal Inner
AE8Z-7048-A Input Shaft Seal Outer
9U7Z-19A506-BA Transaxle Input Shaft/Spline Lubricant
XL-2 Motorcraft® High Temperature Nickel Anti-Seize Lubricant
AE8Z-7064-A Clutch-To-Hollow Input Shaft Snap Rring
BV6Z-7B546-A Dual Clutch Assembly Kit
PM-4-A Motorcraft® Metal Brake Parts Cleaner


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Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
111213A 2012 Focus Automatic Transmission: Inspect For Transmission Fluid Leak, Replace The Inner Input Shaft Seal, Outer Input Shaft Case Seal And Clutch Assembly Includes Time To Remove And Install Transmission, Perform Clutch Adaptive Learning Procedure And Drive Cycle (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 6.5 Hrs

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
7052 d8

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Old 11-02-2012, 11:21 PM   #47
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Thanks!

The only problem is that they are saying its just oil and that it probably didn't make its way into the transmission? Is there another seal that would block it? Not sure how to proceed.

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The only problem is that they are saying its just oil and that it probably didn't make its way into the transmission? Is there another seal that would block it? Not sure how to proceed.

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Unless it was engine oil and was an external leak away from the rear main seal that is completely unlikely.

11-12-13 specifically states if its transmission fluid that it more than likely leaked onto the clutches and they must be replaced as a part of the TSB.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:28 PM   #49
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They are not mentioning transmission fluid at all...only oil from the engine that is leaking out. If the rear main seal is broken is it likely to cause transmission fluid to compromise the clutches? Thanks
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They are not mentioning transmission fluid at all...only oil from the engine that is leaking out. If the rear main seal is broken is it likely to cause transmission fluid to compromise the clutches? Thanks
Engine oil from a rear main seal can destroy the clutch the same as the transmission fluid, but that would have been a less likely leak and one that wasn't covered by this TSB.

The more common leak would be the one from a transmission seal leaking onto the clutches and seeping out of the case between the engine and gearbox.
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