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Old 10-16-2012, 03:14 PM   #281
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Oil consumption question

Hi all,

2012 SE Sport 5-spd here. I got my first oil change at close to 10k miles in July. What with one thing and another, I didn't really monitor oil consumption until this past weekend (16k miles). To my horror, I didn't see anything on the dipstick at all, and it took 1.5 quarts of oil to bring it back up to max. I did check the oil level after the change at the dealership, and it was max, so I know that it started with a "full tank".

Has anyone else monitored the oil consumption? I'm more than a bit surprised to see this kind of consumption in what is essentially a brand-new car. I drive ~80 miles every day, and it's about half highway and half city. Don't really push the car around too much except for taking turns a bit aggressively

Any thoughts/comments?

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Old 10-16-2012, 05:29 PM   #282
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Regardless of type of oil, CONSUMPTION usually starts taking place from 5000 miles on up. That is why people that go for lengthy OCI's usually have to do some top-offs during the period between 5000 - 10,000 mile mark you were going for. That might be as little as 1/2 of a quart or maybe even up to a quart.

Of course you will get many opinions on the subject here :)
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I do 4 months or 5k miles, whichever occurs first. I actually use Mobil 1 so I could theoretically go 10k was they suggest in the manual, but to be safe, I like to do it at 5k. 3k on synthetic oil to me is a waste (except for maybe if I was constantly running in extreme cold or extreme heat--over 100 constantly, but in Northern Illinois, it's warm part of the year, and colder the other part--so the 5k/4 months works fine for me. Been doing that since my first new car, which was my 2008 Focus.

In an absolute pinch, I'd go up to 6 months or 7.5k as long as I was still using Mobil 1... anything else and I'd say no. but even then so, I think oils (even synthetics) still start to break-down after about 5k miles anyways from being run through the engine. I never trust the 15k oils that claim you can go 15k between oil changes... I just don't trust or believe them (nor would I ever go that long between oil changes--even with an old beater car I wouldn't).
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:02 AM   #284
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I do 4 months or 5k miles, whichever occurs first. I actually use Mobil 1 so I could theoretically go 10k was they suggest in the manual, but to be safe, I like to do it at 5k. 3k on synthetic oil to me is a waste (except for maybe if I was constantly running in extreme cold or extreme heat--over 100 constantly, but in Northern Illinois, it's warm part of the year, and colder the other part--so the 5k/4 months works fine for me. Been doing that since my first new car, which was my 2008 Focus.

In an absolute pinch, I'd go up to 6 months or 7.5k as long as I was still using Mobil 1... anything else and I'd say no. but even then so, I think oils (even synthetics) still start to break-down after about 5k miles anyways from being run through the engine. I never trust the 15k oils that claim you can go 15k between oil changes... I just don't trust or believe them (nor would I ever go that long between oil changes--even with an old beater car I wouldn't).
That's because you believe what the big oil companies are telling you. Too many people have the "oil change OCD" thanks to big oil company brainwashing. "Change your oil....we need to make more money.....change your oil."

Amsoil Signature Series lubricants will easily achieve 15,000 mile oil change intervals, as this is the severe service schedule for the formulation. Trust them or not, there is proof it's real. I have proven it many times with used oil analysis. A fill of Amsoil SS 10W-30 in my 700 rwhp GT500 after 7,000 miles had not sheared at all (no break down of film strength) and still had more than 50% of detergent additives remaining. There is a difference between the "fake" hydrocracked (highly refined) petroleum that Mobil 1 is using, and the 100% true synthetic base stock that Amsoil is using.

I'm about to take a sample of my current fill of Amsoil @ 5,000 miles (not changing the oil). When I post the sample on here, you will see what I mean. Dumping the oil at 5,000 miles is a waste.
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Hi all,

2012 SE Sport 5-spd here. I got my first oil change at close to 10k miles in July. What with one thing and another, I didn't really monitor oil consumption until this past weekend (16k miles). To my horror, I didn't see anything on the dipstick at all, and it took 1.5 quarts of oil to bring it back up to max. I did check the oil level after the change at the dealership, and it was max, so I know that it started with a "full tank".

Has anyone else monitored the oil consumption? I'm more than a bit surprised to see this kind of consumption in what is essentially a brand-new car. I drive ~80 miles every day, and it's about half highway and half city. Don't really push the car around too much except for taking turns a bit aggressively

Any thoughts/comments?

Thanks
Oil consumption in mine is very modest, maybe 1/8 -1/4 quart in the 4,500 miles so far on this oil change. But a quart every 4,000 miles is really not that
bad and is probably within the range of what most experience.

Did you notice any consumption during the first 10,000 mile OCI? It would be unusual for consumption to increase after the first oil change unless driving conditions or oil type changed a lot. The car came filled with Motorcraft semi-synthetic - are you sure that's what was used for the first change or does the dealer use a bulk, conventional oil?

Guess all you can do is watch it and see how it progresses. I've found oil level on these cars to be pretty sensitive to temperature, position and time so try to check under the same conditions each time to get the truest reading.
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Does everyone here know that using a superior formulation that has a lower NOACK Volatility (evaporation/burn off) will result in less oil consumption? For instance....

Motorcraft 5W-20 has a NOACK of 13+%

Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 has a NOACK of 5.7%

With a NOACK less than half, you will have far less lubricant losses.
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Pennzoil Ultra is another good alternative at 5.0% for the 5W-20.

http://www.mxtradings.com/Pennzoil/PU5w30PDS.pdf
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Does everyone here know that using a superior formulation that has a lower NOACK Volatility (evaporation/burn off) will result in less oil consumption? For instance....

Motorcraft 5W-20 has a NOACK of 13+%

Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 has a NOACK of 5.7%

With a NOACK less than half, you will have far less lubricant losses.
Tracking. That explains why after 7,000 miles, I checked my oil level and my car only consumed 1/4 of a quart of oil. I just changed my oil yesterday at 10,500 miles. I had Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 oil in it with a Amsoil filter, I put Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 oil back in it with Amsoil filter. I going to send off a sample for oil analysis. I am curious as to how much life I had left out of the old oil.
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Tracking. That explains why after 7,000 miles, I checked my oil level and my car only consumed 1/4 of a quart of oil. I just changed my oil yesterday at 10,500 miles. I had Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 oil in it with a Amsoil filter, I put Amsoil Signature Series 5W-20 oil back in it with Amsoil filter. I going to send off a sample for oil analysis. I am curious as to how much life I had left out of the old oil.
Can't wait to see that sample, as it will still have some life left in it.

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Pennzoil Ultra is another good alternative at 5.0% for the 5W-20.

http://www.mxtradings.com/Pennzoil/PU5w30PDS.pdf
Still waiting for 3rd party testing proof that API SN Ultra has a NOACK that low. That's still up in the air.

You are also sacrificing frictional coefficient and efficiency with Ultra since it's a hydrocracked petroleum product.
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Can't wait to see that sample, as it will still have some life left in it.
I believe so too. I am also curious to see if I have any fuel dilution.
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