Think I figured out the shuddering when starting from a stop...can't believe it - Page 3

kjl2012 · 10-03-2012, 12:03 PM

It dose indeed work no shudder.

Kabigon · 10-03-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cobie56

i agree.. major flaw in engineering this feature.....

Do you know of any recent cars that don't have this "major flaw in engineering"?

pozi240 · 10-03-2012, 12:14 PM

hotleadsingerguy, you're a genius! Inconclusive for now (I have a long commute home later today to gather more "data"), but, I went out mid day for errands, and tried this (I have the shudder issue as well), and , it worked! Not a single shudder, stumble or hesitation at all. Very smooth starts from a standstill, and the shifts seemed "crisper" for sure. Just before I re parked the car for the day, I turned the TCS back on just to test this, and my last standing start into the parking lot produced the shudder right away...hmmmm, I think we may be onto something. I have the car booked in tomorrow for an oil change and they are looking into my DCT issues (may have a leaking seal inside the bell housing). I will mention this finding to them to see what they think.
What I find surprising (I guess maybe I shouldn't though), is how come none of the service guys or Ford engineers even once thought about this, since we all know that the latest TSB/FSA update changed the way the TCS/ABS system behaves ---- none of these field engineers looked into a possible connection? really??
Like you hotleadsingerguy, my shudder issues didn't start until after I had the last update applied (not by choice, the dealer did it anway)... it drove fine prior to that.

cobie56 · 10-03-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kabigon

Do you know of any recent cars that don't have this "major flaw in engineering"?

If it's not a simple button/switch on/off, no matter the make or model, it's a major flaw in engineering.... Why re-invent the wheel to make it 'square'?

ralck · 10-03-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kabigon

Do you know of any recent cars that don't have this "major flaw in engineering"?

The ST2 I test drove had a button on the dash called "Sport mode." It turned ESC and TSC off (or at least made them much less aggressive).

Dysan911 · 10-03-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PratoN

Must be nice... but did you have transmission fluid leaking on the outside of your transmission? I fear that if I don't have that issue, no one will even look at clutch(es).

That's correct. I had the symptoms and it was only one day that I was tinkering under the hood with removal of the Snorkel (Intake mod) that I dropped a tool. I got under the car and removed that felt panel that covers the bottom of the engine compartment (not really removing it, just enough screws to reach in and retrieve the tool I dropped). Thats when I spotted the big ole bead of Oil/FLuid dripping.

hotleadsingerguy · 10-03-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pozi240

hotleadsingerguy, you're a genius! Inconclusive for now (I have a long commute home later today to gather more "data"), but, I went out mid day for errands, and tried this (I have the shudder issue as well), and , it worked! Not a single shudder, stumble or hesitation at all. Very smooth starts from a standstill, and the shifts seemed "crisper" for sure. Just before I re parked the car for the day, I turned the TCS back on just to test this, and my last standing start into the parking lot produced the shudder right away...hmmmm, I think we may be onto something. I have the car booked in tomorrow for an oil change and they are looking into my DCT issues (may have a leaking seal inside the bell housing). I will mention this finding to them to see what they think.
What I find surprising (I guess maybe I shouldn't though), is how come none of the service guys or Ford engineers even once thought about this, since we all know that the latest TSB/FSA update changed the way the TCS/ABS system behaves ---- none of these field engineers looked into a possible connection? really??
Like you hotleadsingerguy, my shudder issues didn't start until after I had the last update applied (not by choice, the dealer did it anway)... it drove fine prior to that.

Same here...it wasn't by choice. My car operated exactly as I liked it when I bought it, which is why I spent $30k on it. I wouldn't have purchased a car I wasn't satisfied. Then, a year later, Ford forces me to get an update that screws up the operation of the vehicle and makes it perform like a completely different car...in the worst way possible. They even threaten to cancel your warranty on powertrain issues if you don't get the update. That would be fine if the update were tested by more than 2 people that apparently don't understand cars and how they should operate.

Either way...the more people that can test this the more results we'll have to list for Ford. The fact that not a single engineer has found a correlation between the TCS update and the shudder would be mind-blowing if we hadn't already been struggling with the ineptitude of the MyFord Touch team. Now it just seems par for the course in the feigned "New" Ford Motor Company.

hotleadsingerguy · 10-03-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dysan911

That's correct. I had the symptoms and it was only one day that I was tinkering under the hood with removal of the Snorkel (Intake mod) that I dropped a tool. I got under the car and removed that felt panel that covers the bottom of the engine compartment (not really removing it, just enough screws to reach in and retrieve the tool I dropped). Thats when I spotted the big ole bead of Oil/FLuid dripping.

See I've taken that shield off 4-5 times already (oil changes, usually) and never really looked. I've looked for oil leaks after changing it and gave a quick inspection, but haven't really seen any leaks. I've seen a bit of staining, but I naturally assumed it was just road dirt and road wash that had dripped down the housing. I'll have to check it out a bit more often. When you saw actual liquid down there was it shortly after a drive? Does it "leak" more often while driving it/after driving it?