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Old 10-14-2012, 06:43 PM   #1621
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Getrag built the transmission and looking at Wikipedia they have built DCT's for BMW, AMG, Mitsubishi, even Ferrari, so it's not like they are giving it their first go.
Exactly. This is why I believe the issues are mainly software and inadequate communcation/education. How many Focus 2012-13 owners had DCT issues explained by their dealer before or at the time they purchased the car. How about zero? And how many had the issues resolved by their dealer? Not enough which to me is anything less than 100%.

Let's remember too that that Ford knew DCT shifting would be comprimised by tuning it for fuel efficiency. Ford has a mandate to meet fuel efficiency targets when their cars leave the factory. However, I doubt this is an issue if an owner asks the dealer to juice the shifting of the DCT. My mileage dropped slightly after my DCT was dailed in. But it came right back to where it was in a few weeks.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:07 PM   #1622
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Exactly. This is why I believe the issues are mainly software and inadequate communcation/education. How many Focus 2012-13 owners had DCT issues explained by their dealer before or at the time they purchased the car. How about zero? And how many had the issues resolved by their dealer? Not enough which to me is anything less than 100%.

Let's remember too that that Ford knew DCT shifting would be comprimised by tuning it for fuel efficiency. Ford has a mandate to meet fuel efficiency targets when their cars leave the factory. However, I doubt this is an issue if an owner asks the dealer to juice the shifting of the DCT. My mileage dropped slightly after my DCT was dailed in. But it came right back to where it was in a few weeks.
The salesman I dealt with said "Just drive it like an automatic".

The mechanic that I had seen, regarding the low RPM/idle shudder, and reiterated by his supervisor who called me the next day to follow up (which was quite nice, actually), had said to apply more gas and to treat it like a manual transmission. I've never driven a manual before, much less an automated manual... I should re-read some materials, but after reading them the first time, most of my fears were allayed...

My MPG didn't drop much after 12B37, but acceleration was firmer and the shudder problem was eliminated.

Overall, the DCT rocks (it's smoother than anything I've had in the past) but the fear of "the noise" still keeps me needlessly spazzed.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:15 PM   #1623
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"Overall, the DCT rocks (it's smoother than anything I've had in the past) but the fear of "the noise" still keeps me needlessly spazzed. "

Sounds like you have 'Fear of pedal to the metal' phobia caused by bad salesperson advice. Have faith. It will pass in time. Feel the Force in your DCT. The Force is with you.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:34 PM   #1624
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It is software because the mechanical component is controlled by a microprocessor run by fuzzy logic software. The software adjusts to driver input. If the initial hesitation of the DCT makes the driver cautious the DCT will respond accordingly. If you drive aggressively the DCT will adjust accordingly. DCT issues are mainly driver caused. That most Ford mechanics need retraining is another factor. Ball peen hammers can't fix DCT issues.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but I don't see how faulty software can cause the seals on a transmission to fail.

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I again feel there should be a MASS APPEAL to FORD(hey rep are you listening???) extend all the warranties unconditional for 10years 100k mile.... I bet it gets their attention?? If its good back it up with a guarantee!!MJB
Agree with this 100%! It would increase my confidence significantly. That said, I don't think they'll do it.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but I don't see how faulty software can cause the seals on a transmission to fail.



Agree with this 100%! It would increase my confidence significantly. That said, I don't think they'll do it.
Even if they covered the transmission they have still excluded the dual clutch mechanism from the premium care service contract or so we keep being told. Even though as it is an automated manual transmission it is essentially equivalent to a torque converter (which can also wear out).
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:48 PM   #1626
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"Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but I don't see how faulty software can cause the seals on a transmission to fail."

Neither do I. Sorry, if I missed your point.
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I'm not so sure it's the software used to program the DCT. It's more likely the service personnel using it. It would explain why cars like mine are trouble free and others are not. I imagine there are service personnel without sufficient training. I was lucky to pick a dealership with people who knew what they were doing.
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:12 AM   #1628
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I'm not so sure it's the software used to program the DCT. It's more likely the service personnel using it. It would explain why cars like mine are trouble free and others are not. I imagine there are service personnel without sufficient training. I was lucky to pick a dealership with people who knew what they were doing.
I agree. I happen to have a very good dealer and was lucky enough to get a technician (they aren't 'mechanics' any more) who had just returned from a Ford training course work on my DCT. The change was immediate and incredible. And the DCT got even better as I drove it.

I was not inferring that the software was somehow faulty. The problems I see are:
1. Inadequate dealer/customer communication of issues.
2. Owners who are confused by the initial DCT performance and feather the gas, in effect, programming the DCT to shift poorly.
3. Dealer service technicians who have no idea as to how to program the DCT.

There is no reason why Ford can not preset DCTs at the time of delivery according to customer input derived from a driver profile. Are you taking this in Crystal?
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I was not inferring that the software was somehow faulty. The problems I see are:
1. Inadequate dealer/customer communication of issues.
2. Owners who are confused by the initial DCT performance and feather the gas, in effect, programming the DCT to shift poorly.
3. Dealer service technicians who have no idea as to how to program the DCT.

I don't see any explaination in your list for leaking seals, burnt clutches or bad throwout bearings.
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