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Old 09-29-2012, 10:59 AM   #21
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One would imagine that you are not a motorcycle enthusiast and completely clueless on the subject.

In Atlanta, the last three motorcycle riders that died in accidents were on Harley Davidsons. One was just this last week as a matter of fact at an intersection.................

So the statement should be amended to "IMO motorcycles are a legal form of assisted suicide..."? With so many distracted drivers and drivers on prescription medicine that affects their motor skills and drivers just generally exhausted along with so many just plain bad drivers I think motorcycles are an accident waiting to happen. I did ride sport bikes on the roads for about 20 years by the way but I won't do it anymore. It's just not fun dodging all the freaks and close calls.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:04 PM   #22
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So the statement should be amended to "IMO motorcycles are a legal form of assisted suicide..."? With so many distracted drivers and drivers on prescription medicine that affects their motor skills and drivers just generally exhausted along with so many just plain bad drivers I think motorcycles are an accident waiting to happen. I did ride sport bikes on the roads for about 20 years by the way but I won't do it anymore. It's just not fun dodging all the freaks and close calls.
I've been riding since 1977, 3 Hondas, 2 Harleys. It's not so different now as it was way back when. I use my peripheral vision the same today as I had to back in '78 when someone tried to run me off the road several times.

Pay attention to what's around you no matter what you drive. I have no accidents on my record at speed, but I've been hit 5 times while at a complete stop, in cars, by people not paying attention - none of them had cell phones. 4 times at stop signs and red lights, and the last time (17 years ago) while parked in a parking lot with the ignition off.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:08 PM   #23
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Got to sit in this one. Those seats are TIGHT. I'm 6'2" tall 220lbs, and they weren't initially uncomfortable, but I could definitely feel the pressure on the lower back sides of my rib cage. Not sure I would want to road trip in those.
I'm slightly thin and the seats are very snug.

Anyone that has a large build can forget the ST2 and ST3.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:14 PM   #24
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...and I was amazed how little torque steer there was. I'd imagine it might come into play a little more in "sport mode" (ESC off), but it really does feel nice.
The ST has active torque steer compensation (via the power steering motor).

If you are feeling any significant torque steer, something is broken.
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Anyone that has a large build can forget the ST2 and ST3.
I noticed the snugness of the seats when I first got in the car. After that, it wasn't until a half hour after getting out of the car that I realized that I hadn't thought about the seats throughout the twenty minute test drive. I'm 5'13", 230'lbs.
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I hadn't thought about the seats throughout the twenty minute test drive.
I'm, shall we say, considerably larger, and I had the same reaction. First time I sat in the seats, I was thinking, "you gotta be kidding". I barely noticed by the end of the drive. Test drive #2, noticed at the start, then nothing. Drive #3, I didn't notice at all. It's mostly a matter of familiarity, I think, and what you're used to.

And they're really nice while driving. No need to jam your knee up against the console or door in a turn.
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Old 09-30-2012, 03:06 AM   #27
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Price before tax in US$ approximately $28,500.00. (Not bad I'd say)

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Seeing pics of the wagon just makes my blood boil.
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I like that much better than the hatch. I really like that a lot. $28,500 is a little pricey for my budget, but seems like a decent value overall for what you're getting.

Anyone know if the wheelbase changes on the Wagon vs the Hatch/Sedan? Kind of hard to tell from the angles in the pictures. Just trying to see if my mind is playing tricks on me, or if the car actually is "longer".
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Anyone know if the wheelbase changes on the Wagon vs the Hatch/Sedan? Kind of hard to tell from the angles in the pictures.
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