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Old 09-27-2012, 07:03 PM   #21
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you sure about that? the seats in my SEL are real leather.
I concur.

The leather came as part of the package in my SEL... it smelled like real leather and feels like it. I don't have a microscope or degree in biology to confirm, but I see no reason to worry or buy into the notion it's fake without any actual evidence.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:04 PM   #22
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here's a link about the leather.

http://media.ford.com/news/premiumst...rdvehicles.htm
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:20 AM   #23
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I suppose a base ST is an option, but like I said before, the back seats not folding flat would annoy me... not to mention how much my insurance would increase, winter wheels/tires, etc etc.
As far as the other options you listed, I never really considered that, but ultimately I think the compact hatch is the segment for me. A mustang would be fun, but I'm not sure I could deal with the "lack of space" compared to a Focus/Mazda3.

And unless I'm doing something wrong, the Titanium jumps to 26k with just Blue Candy and a moonroof. Not sure I want MFT and all the other extras. Not even sure what RVC or PEPS is!
I believe the SE w/ 201A gets you the touring suspension, leather (honestly don't really want leather, but at least it's fake), rear discs, fog lights (very useful when driving home to visit the folks), perimeter alarm, power driver seat (don't care because I'll set my seat once and be done). That is essentially most of a Ti without the MFT and other stuff I don't care about?
Actually I was not really providing actual advice....I bought a Job 2 SE Sedan with the Sport Package myself as opposed to either the ST (insurance is expensive) or the Titanium (I didn't want the opportunity for more things to not work)...I was trying to point out that $3k to $4k more than the SE is a lot of money and buys a considerable amount of options on the Focus. Couple that with the fact that you can deal on teh Focus as opposed to the Mazda and the present rebate make it cost effective. That's all. I was just pointing out that you mentioned the Mazda and Focus SE were comparably equipped so that means you could add a lot to the Focus and have them the same price but end up with everything including the sink on the Focus.

Sorry for the lingo, PEPS is Passive Entry Passive Start and RVC is Rear Video Camera...
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:11 AM   #24
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I concur.

The leather came as part of the package in my SEL... it smelled like real leather and feels like it. I don't have a microscope or degree in biology to confirm, but I see no reason to worry or buy into the notion it's fake without any actual evidence.
I'm pretty sure all cars that cost less than about $60k don't use real leather. It's all synthetic, to the best of my knowledge.
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I'm pretty sure all cars that cost less than about $60k don't use real leather. It's all synthetic, to the best of my knowledge.
If Ford says it's leather, it's leather. Now it may not be the best Mercedes-quality leather, and Ford does say "leather seating surfaces", so the sides and backs are vinyl, but it did come from a cow.
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Hi Crystal !

Thanks for the offer, but my dealership has been very good so far. I'm still working patiently with them and have always had a great relationship with them...I know that's the only way to get it resolved, but it's just a pain to constantly have to go back and forth, especially when Ford knows damn well the problem isn't fixed by that TSB. Why don't they just FIX it ?? THey HAVE to know what the cause is, and putting different but the same parts in time and again isn't going to change the outcome...
Hi revhigh!

I can assure you that Ford engineers are hard at work on a solution. One of the reasons I escalate cases is to get more information in their hands.

Let me know how things go at your dealership. I'm more than happy to step in whenever you need me.

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Old 09-28-2012, 11:06 AM   #27
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Darn it! I was really hoping it was synthetic leather. A quick search of Mazda points to them using real leather too. Now I'm not sure what car I want. Ford would have had my money already if leather stayed a stand-alone option.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:38 AM   #28
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I'm pretty sure all cars that cost less than about $60k don't use real leather. It's all synthetic, to the best of my knowledge.
did you see the link i posted? it's REAL leather.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:27 PM   #29
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Hi revhigh!

I can assure you that Ford engineers are hard at work on a solution. One of the reasons I escalate cases is to get more information in their hands.

Let me know how things go at your dealership. I'm more than happy to step in whenever you need me.

Thanks!
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Thanks Crystal ! I appreciate it ! Will keep you informed.

Regarding being hard at work on it ... I don't doubt that a bit ... but at the same time ... they HAVE to know that it doesn't resolve the problem. All they had to do was apply the fix to 1 or 2 cars .... and then drive them a few hundred miles. It's actually kind of a shame, because they're applying a non-working TSB to a lot of cars .... and it's not a real cheap TSB, so they're throwing away good money on a bad solution.

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Old 09-29-2012, 01:40 AM   #30
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This is probably a really dumb thought, but is it possible to replace the ST's full size spare with a donut and smaller foam so the seats fold flat? Or is that a safety issue?
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