Scheduled 30K DCT maintenance? - Page 3 - Focus Fanatics
Ford Focus Forum
HomeContact UsAbout UsGalleryDiscussion ForumsMarketplace


Go Back   Focus Fanatics > Ford Focus Third Generation > MK3 Focus

MK3 Focus The place to chat about general questions, window tinting, exterior body, interior and lighting upgrades for the third generation 2012-Current Focus.

Search This Forum | Image Search | Advanced Search    
Ford Focus Tire & Wheels FocusFanatics Merchandise

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-17-2012, 07:16 PM   #21
Kabigon
Focus Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Fan#: 88299
Location: Torrance, CA
What I Drive: 2012 sterling gray Titanium

Posts: 2,997
FF Reputation: 10 Kabigon Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dan50 View Post
I think there is a drain plug on the Focus trans so no need to replace a gasket, the DCT fluid capacity is quite small (< 2 quarts) and there's no filter, so $ 200 seems pretty outrageous to me. As a matter of fact, this should be well within the capabilities of most DIYers. Just make sure you buy the fluid from a Ford dealer.
Yes, $200 is outrageous.

Since there is a drain plug and a fill plug, it is not a difficult DIY job and a piece of cake for someone with a lift (such as your local Ford dealer).
Kabigon is online now  
    Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 09-17-2012, 07:35 PM   #22
blank102
Focus Enthusiast
 
blank102's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Fan#: 96549
Location: Northern, CA
What I Drive: 2012 Sterling Grey SE HB

Posts: 334
FF Reputation: 1 blank102 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
$200 is pure rip off.
I had the transmission oil changed in my GMC (Allison built) and it was no where near that costly.
blank102 is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 11:41 AM   #23
focusstu
Focus Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Fan#: 103157
Location: Greenville, NC
What I Drive: 2012 Oxford White Focus S 5MT

Posts: 128
FF Reputation: 2 focusstu Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (1)
My wife's car is a 2005 Honda Odyssey, purchased new. The manual calls for a trans fluid change at 30,000 miles under severe operating conditions but otherwise not until 90,000. However, my dealer (whom I trust) and several Honda forums tell me that Odyssey transmissions are notoriously weak, and that a fluid change will extend the tranny's life.

If you plan to keep the car past the mileage or time limit on your ESP plan, it might be worth thinking about changing the fluid. This is especially true since the Powershift trans is new and has had a lot of teething problems.
focusstu is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 11:49 AM   #24
suss6052
Focus Addict
 
suss6052's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Fan#: 95752
Location: ..., MI
What I Drive: 2013 Ford Focus ST2 Ingot Silver

Posts: 12,378
FF Reputation: 23 suss6052 Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (3)
Quote:
Originally Posted by focusstu View Post
My wife's car is a 2005 Honda Odyssey, purchased new. The manual calls for a trans fluid change at 30,000 miles under severe operating conditions but otherwise not until 90,000. However, my dealer (whom I trust) and several Honda forums tell me that Odyssey transmissions are notoriously weak, and that a fluid change will extend the tranny's life.

If you plan to keep the car past the mileage or time limit on your ESP plan, it might be worth thinking about changing the fluid. This is especially true since the Powershift trans is new and has had a lot of teething problems.
The Odyssey uses a traditional torque converter and planetary gear set based automatic transmission and depends on the fluid to operate properly as it is a hydraulic transmission. The DCT is essentially two manual transmissions in a single gear case. Ergo there is only a small volume of fluid used to cool the gears and allow for proper meshing. I don't know of any manual transmissions that call for a fluid change at 30k intervals. Just because it is shifted by servos/ electric motors that also apply and release the clutches doesn't mean it has the same fluid change requirement as a planetary automatic transmission.

Planetary automatic transmissions with torque converters use up to 16 quarts of fluid and the fluid is especially sensitive to heat and breaking down, that is why they need their fluid changed much more regularly. If you wait too long the metal fragments in the fluid might be the only thing that allow the brake bands and wet clutches between planetary gears to actually work.
suss6052 is online now  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 12:16 PM   #25
focusstu
Focus Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Fan#: 103157
Location: Greenville, NC
What I Drive: 2012 Oxford White Focus S 5MT

Posts: 128
FF Reputation: 2 focusstu Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (1)
I understand that the DCT is entirely different from a traditional auto. The DCT still has bearings, synchros, seals, and meshing gears. This design appears to be Ford's first try, so erring on the side of caution might be worth thinking about, especially as info becomes available on forums, etc.
focusstu is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 02:51 PM   #26
jamnesta
Focus Jr. Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Fan#: 93256
Location: Brighton, MI
What I Drive: 2012 Titanium

Posts: 36
FF Reputation: 2 jamnesta Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by focusstu View Post
I understand that the DCT is entirely different from a traditional auto. The DCT still has bearings, synchros, seals, and meshing gears. This design appears to be Ford's first try, so erring on the side of caution might be worth thinking about, especially as info becomes available on forums, etc.
To me this is the most sensible post. With all the concerns about this transmission, not the least of which includes "grinding noises" (usually resulting in metal shavings ) there would seem to be little room for debate...?
jamnesta is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 03:29 PM   #27
Kabigon
Focus Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Fan#: 88299
Location: Torrance, CA
What I Drive: 2012 sterling gray Titanium

Posts: 2,997
FF Reputation: 10 Kabigon Great Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by focusstu View Post
This is especially true since the Powershift trans is new and has had a lot of teething problems.
Problem with the actual transmission (i.e. problems that are not related to the clutches) are rare with the DCT.

The only exception is a problem with leaking seals.
Kabigon is online now  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 04:08 PM   #28
Timbo64
Focus Jr. Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Fan#: 92890
Location: Decatur, AL
What I Drive: 2012 Silver Focus SE Sport 5 Door

Posts: 43
FF Reputation: 1 Timbo64 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wMyXSCnqKI

It talks about this subject at 3.00 in this Ford Retailer Education & Training video on the Ford DCT transmission.

From the video: "It's also maintenance free. Transmission fluid never needs to be changed for the life of the vehicle which is defined as 10 years or 150K miles."

The 2012 Focus owners guide says that a transmission fluid change is not required until 150K miles.

I always change my engine oil sooner than is required by the owners manual, but I don't want the service department messing around with my DCT unless there is a problem with it.
Timbo64 is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 04:31 PM   #29
jbird1955
Focus Enthusiast
 
jbird1955's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Fan#: 48235
Location: Tewksbury, MA
What I Drive: 2014 Tuxedo Black Ti Hatch

Posts: 134
FF Reputation: 1 jbird1955 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbo64 View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wMyXSCnqKI

It talks about this subject at 3.00 in this Ford Retailer Education & Training video on the Ford DCT transmission.

From the video: "It's also maintenance free. Transmission fluid never needs to be changed for the life of the vehicle which is defined as 10 years or 150K miles."

The 2012 Focus owners guide says that a transmission fluid change is not required until 150K miles.

I always change my engine oil sooner than is required by the owners manual, but I don't want the service department messing around with my DCT unless there is a problem with it.
Great points all.

I'm going to seek out the dealer from whom I purchased the car from. I walked away from them as I found the service manager to be a bit of a DH.

What I wish would happen is for one of the Ford folks here to PM me and let me know what gives. I'm not opposed to the $200.00 fluid change, I'm questioning the "maintenance free" aspect of the DCT - as I understood it to be presented as.

Joe
__________________
Ford Focus 2014 Hatchback 300A Titanium w/ Moonroof
Tuxedo Black Metallic
jbird1955 is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 04:52 PM   #30
Timbo64
Focus Jr. Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Fan#: 92890
Location: Decatur, AL
What I Drive: 2012 Silver Focus SE Sport 5 Door

Posts: 43
FF Reputation: 1 Timbo64 Good Standing Member
Buy-Sell-Trade Rating: (0)
http://blogs.automotive.com/ford-dee...ion-42051.html

"One benefit, Ford says, is that the dual-clutch transmission is maintenance-free for 150,000 miles. The dual-clutch transmission is currently only offered in the Fiesta and Focus but the technology is expected to catch on with other models in Fordís lineup."
Timbo64 is offline  
    Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks & Social Networks
-->
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:19 AM.


Copyright 2002-2014 FocusFanatics.com. All Rights Reserved : Terms of Use : Privacy Policy : Advertise Information

Focus Fanatics Ford Focus Forum offers many fun ways for you to engage with other Ford Focus Owners from across the world. Whether it be about the aftermarket performance modifications, technical how-to's, European tuned suspension or awesome fuel economy similar to the Acura TLX or Fiesta ST. You can find all Ford Focus and Focus ST related information here. Join our Ford Focus discussion forums and chat with local Focus enthusiasts in your area.