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Old 09-20-2012, 03:25 PM   #141
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A few comments, off topic and on topic.
We owned a Mazda 3 -we were getting bad paint chipping and rust after the first year, and we got rid of it because some older cars around 09 have visible perforation. The cars are poorly designed for CDN winters (no inner fenders).

Focuses devalue. All cars devalue. Fords devalue more than most, but this is exactly why I bought a used one with 12,000 miles. The car was like new, I paid $8500 less than new. Cash.

I have never bought a new car in my life. The most devaluation of any car in in the first year.

Think this is just Ford? A 2006 Mercedes CLK500 cost $112,000. They are worth $21,000 on trade-in (in top condition).
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:26 PM   #142
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You should see the styling on my 07 SE. I thought SE stood for Sport Edition?? What is up with no tach, cheap steel wheels, and cheap plastic interior.
The shopping cart at Market Basket has more style than this car! :-D
Uh...why did you buy it? Were you visually impaired at the time? forced at gun point?
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:32 PM   #143
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The main thing wrong with it to some people is that it's not a Focus interior.

The looks of any interior is very subjective, and to call it 'nasty' time after time in numerous posts (as if that makes it true LOL) is simply not proving anything. I bet if you asked 1000 people what they thought of the 3's interior ... not one would use the term 'nasty'. There's not a thing wrong with the 3's interior, and my Focus interior is just fine too. But I have the 201 package so it's nowhere near as 'busy' as the more upscale models.


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That's the impression I'm getting also. And for the record I love both (Mazda3 and Focus) interiors, but for slightly different reasons. On the flip side I could also do a walk-around and pick out all the spots where they cut corners for both cars. Every manufacturer does this. But for something that's below $20k I think they're both exceptionally good.

Off the top of my head I can only name 3 remaining manufacturers that have fallen behind on interior quality and ergonomics... and all 3 of them rely on their reputation for reliability to meet sales numbers. They're probably not very hard to guess.
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A few comments, off topic and on topic.
We owned a Mazda 3 -we were getting bad paint chipping and rust after the first year, and we got rid of it because some older cars around 09 have visible perforation. The cars are poorly designed for CDN winters (no inner fenders).

Focuses devalue. All cars devalue. Fords devalue more than most, but this is exactly why I bought a used one with 12,000 miles. The car was like new, I paid $8500 less than new. Cash.

I have never bought a new car in my life. The most devaluation of any car in in the first year.

Think this is just Ford? A 2006 Mercedes CLK500 cost $112,000. They are worth $21,000 on trade-in (in top condition).
Cash is king.;) Smart man.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:49 PM   #145
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Uh...why did you buy it? Were you visually impaired at the time? forced at gun point?
I ask myself that question all the time. But at the time, this seemed to be the best option with the house expenses. And I was making a joke with my post, no need to be sarcastic.;) I do not care for the bells and whistles, too much to go wrong. It is a solid running, reliable, economical means of transportation.
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Focuses devalue. All cars devalue. Fords devalue more than most, but this is exactly why I bought a used one with 12,000 miles. The car was like new, I paid $8500 less than new.
I'll do this next time.

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A 2006 Mercedes CLK500 cost $112,000. They are worth $21,000 on trade-in (in top condition).
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:28 PM   #147
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That's the impression I'm getting also. And for the record I love both (Mazda3 and Focus) interiors, but for slightly different reasons. On the flip side I could also do a walk-around and pick out all the spots where they cut corners for both cars. Every manufacturer does this. But for something that's below $20k I think they're both exceptionally good.

Off the top of my head I can only name 3 remaining manufacturers that have fallen behind on interior quality and ergonomics... and all 3 of them rely on their reputation for reliability to meet sales numbers. They're probably not very hard to guess.
Right on! They are very good cars in their price ranges, though each has their faults. I doubt if we could have bought cars this good 10-15 years back (I'm thinking Escort, Protege,Cavalier). And, I suppose I am guilty of wanting a BMW for the $15.9K I paid....human nature. What I'm trying to say is that I can be critical of the Focus, but I do like them quite a bit.

I agree that the 3 is very noisy and that the paint is pretty but very fragile. The quality on my 3 is very good, but not quite what the durability of my Miata has been (bulletproof). So, there may have been a small amount of degradation there.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:32 PM   #148
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If it is your opinion that there was nothing wrong with the Mazda 3 why didn't you buy one instead? We already know from ZX3Matt who's wife bought a new 3 instead of another Focus that the 12+ 3 is not immune from the suspension clunk having shared a common chassis development initially.

My car's suspension does not clunk, I have no issues with the DCT so far, and I don't care that the press seems to find the button layout too cluttered looking. It works really well in my opinion, and most of the time I can use the voice commands or the steering wheel controls to accomplish what I want to with minimal distraction.

If the Focus only offered a 5MT or a traditional automatic like the Fusion or the Escape's 6F35 I would not have gone with the automatic and I might not have gone with a Focus at all. I don't like the disconnected feeling of driving around in a car with a torque converter.

The skyactiv automatic transmission is having its own issues, maybe not quite as widely reported yet but there are fewer of them on the roads.

The only thing that is bothering me at the moment is the heated seats don't seem to get very hot but the dealer tried to claim that was normal of cloth seats. Then they either lied to me or to Ford, because they said it only reported 90-100F at the heater pad but they told ford they saw it hit the required 125F, which it did not.

If it was 125F at the pad and the pad is directly below the seat cover which is quite thin it would eventually reach the same temperature as the heater due to the nature of heat transfer. You can't just lose 30F worth of thermal energy someplace without it feeling warmer someplace.

But that's a relatively minor complaint about the car so far.

If I had waited however I might not be driving a Focus, or I might have had to spend far more for the ST to get what I wanted.

I wouldn't buy the 3 because of the interior, the styling, and the fact that even the six speed manual is geared more like the MTX-75 and would be less efficient than the DCT.

But like I said to each his or her own. I like my car, but I wouldn't like it if it had a torque converter.

Manual transmissions are usually far more reliable than automatics. The DCT being an automated manual is therfore technically more reliable by design although it doesn't have a long service history here yet. There have been no horror stories for the most part reported outside of North America, but the same powertrain is exported to the world, e.x. Austrailia/Russia/etc, and there have not been nearly the same level of expletives hurled at it as there have been by those people who were the most coddled by the torque converter and planetary gearsets. 50 years ago it made driving easier sure, but they were dreadfully inefficient and blunted performance massively. Now its less of a hit but having all that extra fluid moving around is not good for efficiency. The best automatics are only now nearing the efficiency of the traditional manual gearbox. Although they are also being geared even taller than usual as well which helps mileage but kills performance.

For the past 30 years of small FWD automatics from Ford pretty much all of the ones built in the Van Dyke assembly plant were pretty bad. AXOD/AXOD-E/AX4S/AX4N/4F50N et al from all the vintages of Taurus/etc have pretty much destroyed my opinion of torque converter automatics. The one in my old oldsomobile might have been ok, but it was far from exciting. The transmission in my first car a $225 dollar beat to junk Cadillac also had a pretty messed up transmission that failed to shift when you floored the accelerator until you let off.

It is my right to express my opinion, and its yours to disagree, but pozi240 clearly agreed with me on the plastic fantastic interior of the 3 as well as the fact that the noisier ride made it feel sportier without actually being better. After all if the suspension is essentially the same you're looking for subtle tweaks and per Car and Driver among others the Focus had the better balance in terms of ride comfort and handling. Its pretty much why in all of the comparison tests that they have done the Focus has come out on top of the 3, the Civic, and even the Dart. That last comparison was between manuals as well and the 5 speed focus still creamed the 6 speed dart.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but Falcon XR6 Turbos in Australia come with the DCT.

And more to the point this seems like a NA specific issue. People around the world aren't having the "issues" that we are having. You'll notice I said "issues", because a majority of the DCT complaints are just how the damn thing works.
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Sometimes I think after reading some of this stuff,"Why don't these people just take a bus?"
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Someone correct me if I am wrong but Falcon XR6 Turbos in Australia come with the DCT.

And more to the point this seems like a NA specific issue. People around the world aren't having the "issues" that we are having. You'll notice I said "issues", because a majority of the DCT complaints are just how the damn thing works.
The Falcon does not use a DCT but a 6MT or a 6 speed ZF automatic transmission as far as I can find. But the Focus uses the same 2.0 L i4 and dry dual clutch powershift transmission in Austrailia (and at least from the german built cars shipped to Austrailia the gearbox and engine are coming from North America per Unida767's panther black Focus Ti.) However it is true that only the North American consumer and media complain about the gearbox. The fickle press loved it until it was production spec and then lamented it for some strange reason.
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