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Old 09-07-2012, 01:16 PM   #1191
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Don't be.
The city driving is not the same, even though many will say the contrary. If I drive the car ONLY in city driving - stop and go then red stops and again stop at each 100 m, as it is usually in downtown Montreal - I get more than your 10 l/100, something close to 11.5 l/100 km. As soon as I have a stretch of road, driving at a steady speed, the consumption goes down. As soon as I get on the highway, I see great improvement of it (7.6 - 7.9 l/100 km in a 50-50 driving). In my first long ride (one day Mtl-To roundtrip), I saw my consumption down to 6.0 l/100 km (39.6 mpg) on a 105 km/h hwy speed (AC auto, 91). And I was very glad about it.

One thing to understand though is the following : the Focus is not a city driving car (mpg perspective). It doesn't like short distances and slow stop and go traffic either. If you do 100% city driving stuck in traffic and no more than 6000 km per year, you better go for a hybrid or an electric car. A bicycle would be best and rent a car on week ends. IMO.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:32 PM   #1192
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I hear you Voldar - though some people are in fact pulling great MPG's in the city. Even on highway, I have a hard time getting the MPG that some people get in the city!

I do not drive during rush hour or get stuck in crazy city traffic. I'm self employed and don't need to commute on a daily basis. I do have the occasional stop & go, red lights, etc. but by all means how is that city driving is SO different from the EPA estimates for city driving?!

I had a trip from Montreal to NYC and I was only able to drop it below 7L a few minutes before the empty gauge light was on. No passengers, no a/c. That was with Premium 91oct gas.

I also ran some tests as some people suggested here, which is to reset the MPG computer and hop on a highway. Well, my MPG start at 9 and slowly moves down to 8, and then I would need to drive about 1hr to get anything close to 7, cruising at approx 105km/h in 6th gear. I read here that some people easily got 5.5 doing that!

Anyhow, it's still worth it to get it check out. If they claim that's normal, I'll tough it out for the lease period and then, I'll probably consider a hybrid for my next car! :-)
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #1193
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I understand that diesel is much more forgiving with city driving. I was worried about the lung health/pollution thing with that but they're improving those things (with Jetta anyway). I guess the Focus diesel is only available in Europe right now but I imagine it may drift this way.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:41 PM   #1194
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Anyhow, it's still worth it to get it check out. If they claim that's normal, I'll tough it out for the lease period and then, I'll probably consider a hybrid for my next car! :-)
If FF electric will be able to cover at least the double it covers today (160 km = 100 miles) it would be my perfect DD car.
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I understand that diesel is much more forgiving with city driving. I was worried about the lung health/pollution thing with that but they're improving those things (with Jetta anyway). I guess the Focus diesel is only available in Europe right now but I imagine it may drift this way.
It depends. A diesel is great, but IMO it is great for large number of miles per year. These engines may go for more than 500k miles without a problem and proper care. I would like to have a Diesel FF though. VW Golf was my first choice at the time of buying a new car but due to the HPFP failures and poor service shop in my area, I decided to go FF way.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:50 AM   #1196
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Just filled again yesterday---numerous destinations 20 to 40 miles away with some in town and traffic lights. 344.9 miles and 9.98 gallons of E60(60% ethanol)
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:52 AM   #1197
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Just filled again yesterday---numerous destinations 20 to 40 miles away with some in town and traffic lights. 344.9 miles and 9.98 gallons of E60(60% ethanol)
Did you notice any performance difference with the E60? I usually use gas with less than 5% ethanol, but I tried 10% once and it seemed that the engine was "chugging" very slightly when going uphill, and I have not felt this lately, since going back to the "up to 5% ethanol" variety ...
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I get about 340-380 miles a tank in mixed traffic, sometimes shifting at redline
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Did you notice any performance difference with the E60? I usually use gas with less than 5% ethanol, but I tried 10% once and it seemed that the engine was "chugging" very slightly when going uphill, and I have not felt this lately, since going back to the "up to 5% ethanol" variety ...
When I'm starting out I have to work at feathering the pedal or it seems I will snap my neck. Performance is very good. On the last tank, it was E40 and that resulted in just about 38 mpg. As I've said before, if you can try some E30, that seems to be a very good gas to ethanol blend for performance and mileage.
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:33 PM   #1200
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One thing to understand though is the following : the Focus is not a city driving car (mpg perspective). It doesn't like short distances and slow stop and go traffic either. If you do 100% city driving stuck in traffic and no more than 6000 km per year, you better go for a hybrid or an electric car. A bicycle would be best and rent a car on week ends. IMO.

This is absolutely correct ... the 2012 FF gets great mileage if you're not doing a lot of stop-and-go driving, but if most of your driving is stop-and-go a hybrid will frickin eat almost all other cars for lunch as far as mileage is concerned. When you get to reclaim some of the energy used to accelerate the car that makes a huge difference in stop-and-go driving. Also, since many of the hybrids actually turn the engine off when stopped and can leave it off when inching forward in traffic the advantage is huge...

I find that my 2012 FF Ti HB will get about 34-40+ mpg on the highway depending on speed, but in heavy stop-and-go traffic I'm more like 20mpg. Interestingly, if I'm able to city drive without a lot of stops the mileage can be over 40mpg -- even in the city. It's the stop-and-go stuff the 2012 FF hates and where a hybrid really shines...

So, if you do a lot of city/traffic stop-and-go driving your first choice should be a hybrid and a second choice a traditional torque converter baseed automatic with manuals, be they traditional or DCT, being at the bottom of the list of choices for that kind of driving.

OTH, if you do mostly highway driving the hybrids aren't much better in mileage than the 2012 FF and no where near as fun.

If your somewhere between them then the choice is a little harder, but unless you're more towards the stop-and-go end of the spectrum the FF with manual or DCT will work just fine...


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