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Old 08-13-2012, 07:22 PM   #11
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I've heard good and bad things about the dart. More bad unfortunately. I was hoping it would be a home run like the focus is. I'm all for American cars but the rest of the car needs to be like the nice looks. The interior and motor are not quite there. IMO it should do better than the Chevy cruise.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:23 PM   #12
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I honestly think the Veloster is hideous. While the car may be impressive performance wise, and be great bang for your buck, I could never drive something that ugly. Just my opinion, not flaming anyone who has/wants one. To each their own.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:25 PM   #13
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:56 AM   #14
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i find that 8 out of 10 salesmen have no idea about the product they are selling. 6 out of 10 aren't even "car guys".

i just took my mom car shopping.
i wanted to talk her into a taurus but she hates ford. she is a japanese fan.
so she decided on (after driving an accord, legacy, 6, and Camry) the Camry.
I knew more about the Camry than the saleman. I actually schooled the salesman on his competition. he knew all there was to know about football...but squat about cars. oddly i am not a sports person...so he and i didnt share common ground.

at the honda dealer...it was the same thing. all i got from the salesman was how great honda's are and how you can't find a better value for the money.
but he didnt know crap about the competition. by the time we left he was asking me for info about the infiniti he had on the used lot that someone was comming in to look at!

the subaru/mazda dealer... the salesman was older and a former "auction guy" so he and i were able to talk cars. he was also the least pushy.

as a side note... my mom went to purchase a camry from the dealer that she test drove the car at.... Day Toyota in pleasant hills pa..... she went armed with info from edmunds, and threw a respectable offer on the table and said she wanted $12,000 for her 50k mile honda element ( kbb 14,000)
they offered $10,000 for her element and sticker for the camry. she laughed and walked. Rorich toyota/lexus accepted her offer right away and even had to dealer trade to get the car she wanted!
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:11 AM   #15
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i find that 8 out of 10 salesmen have no idea about the product they are selling. 6 out of 10 aren't even "car guys".

i just took my mom car shopping.
i wanted to talk her into a taurus but she hates ford. she is a japanese fan.
so she decided on (after driving an accord, legacy, 6, and Camry) the Camry.
I knew more about the Camry than the saleman. I actually schooled the salesman on his competition. he knew all there was to know about football...but squat about cars. oddly i am not a sports person...so he and i didnt share common ground.

at the honda dealer...it was the same thing. all i got from the salesman was how great honda's are and how you can't find a better value for the money.
but he didnt know crap about the competition. by the time we left he was asking me for info about the infiniti he had on the used lot that someone was comming in to look at!

the subaru/mazda dealer... the salesman was older and a former "auction guy" so he and i were able to talk cars. he was also the least pushy.

as a side note... my mom went to purchase a camry from the dealer that she test drove the car at.... Day Toyota in pleasant hills pa..... she went armed with info from edmunds, and threw a respectable offer on the table and said she wanted $12,000 for her 50k mile honda element ( kbb 14,000)
they offered $10,000 for her element and sticker for the camry. she laughed and walked. Rorich toyota/lexus accepted her offer right away and even had to dealer trade to get the car she wanted!
thank god for your mom standing up for herself. i had seeing people get pushed around and talked into horrible deals by salesmen just because they dont know enough about their car/car they are buying
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:25 AM   #16
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I honestly think the Veloster is hideous. While the car may be impressive performance wise, and be great bang for your buck, I could never drive something that ugly. Just my opinion, not flaming anyone who has/wants one. To each their own.
Its not that impressive performance wise. Not that you would buy one, but people looking at a hot hatch should drop the extra coin for an MS3, ST, or GTI. They are SO MUCH better to drive. The Veloster even in turbo form always feels like an economy car.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:30 AM   #17
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i find that 8 out of 10 salesmen have no idea about the product they are selling. 6 out of 10 aren't even "car guys".

i just took my mom car shopping.
i wanted to talk her into a taurus but she hates ford. she is a japanese fan.
so she decided on (after driving an accord, legacy, 6, and Camry) the Camry.
I knew more about the Camry than the saleman. I actually schooled the salesman on his competition. he knew all there was to know about football...but squat about cars. oddly i am not a sports person...so he and i didnt share common ground.

at the honda dealer...it was the same thing. all i got from the salesman was how great honda's are and how you can't find a better value for the money.
but he didnt know crap about the competition. by the time we left he was asking me for info about the infiniti he had on the used lot that someone was comming in to look at!
Honda and Toyota dealers aren't used to having to compare thier product to the competition. There are so many people that will just buy a Camry/Accord or Corolla/Civic without cross shopping.
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Honda and Toyota dealers aren't used to having to compare thier product to the competition. There are so many people that will just buy a Camry/Accord or Corolla/Civic without cross shopping.
As clearly evidenced by the Corolla and Civic continuing to dominate compact car sales despite one uses 10+ year old technology and the other is so bad even traditional Japanese cheerleaders Consumer Reports is now advising consumers to steer clear of it.
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i find that 8 out of 10 salesmen have no idea about the product they are selling. 6 out of 10 aren't even "car guys".
I really feel like salesmen should be looked at as no more than a secretary. I should have done all the research on the car myself therefore needing no additional information from the salesman, and his or her sole functions should be to accompany me on the test drive to ensure I don't wreck their car, be the middleman on coming to agreement on price with the sales manager, and facilitate the completion of the necessary paperwork. End of interaction.
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I really feel like salesmen should be looked at as no more than a secretary. I should have done all the research on the car myself therefore needing no additional information from the salesman, and his or her sole functions should be to accompany me on the test drive to ensure I don't wreck their car, be the middleman on coming to agreement on price with the sales manager, and facilitate the completion of the necessary paperwork. End of interaction.


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