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Old 06-29-2012, 09:21 AM   #71
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:23 AM   #72
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What reasons do you choose XL instead of the superior Signature Series?
Most likely cost I'd think. Close to $12 a quart (before discount) is a lot of money for oil. Not sure how much the XL is though. I was looking at the standard OE oil ... which is probably pretty equivalent to commercial synthetic offerings like M1 and Pennzoil stuff.

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I was looking at the standard OE oil ... which is probably pretty equivalent to commercial synthetic offerings like M1 and Pennzoil stuff.
OE is 100% hydrocracked petroleum, the same as Pennzoil Ultra.

XL is a blend of true synthetic and hydrocracked petroleum, the same as Pennzoil Platinum and Mobil 1

Signature Series is 100% true synthetic, something hard to find off the shelf these days.

Royal Purple and Mobil 1 Extended Performance are really the only two that are easy to find. Since Mobil 1 refuses to post the specs for NOACK Volatility on all spec sheets, we are questioning if even EP has VISOM hydrocracked petroleum in it.

Royal Purple also hides that spec from their base line lubricants. See where I am going with this?

NOACK Volatility is a specification that measures a lubricants tendency to evaporate/burn off at high temperatures. Anything over 9% volatility isn't a true synthetic. Mobil 1, and other big oil companies, know to hide this spec from trained eyes.
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What reasons do you choose XL instead of the superior Signature Series?
I was using XL in my Z06, just what I was used to ordering.
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I was using XL in my Z06, just what I was used to ordering.
Next time, take a look at ALM 5W-20 Signature Series.
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Any evidence around that "full" synthetic is better?

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OE is 100% hydrocracked petroleum, the same as Pennzoil Ultra.

XL is a blend of true synthetic and hydrocracked petroleum, the same as Pennzoil Platinum and Mobil 1

Signature Series is 100% true synthetic, something hard to find off the shelf these days.

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Royal Purple also hides that spec from their base line lubricants. See where I am going with this?

NOACK Volatility is a specification that measures a lubricants tendency to evaporate/burn off at high temperatures. Anything over 9% volatility isn't a true synthetic. Mobil 1, and other big oil companies, know to hide this spec from trained eyes.
Any evidence around that "full" synthetic is better in real world road car use? Last time I checked into this there wasn't. Just ye olde marketing hype.
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Next time, take a look at ALM 5W-20 Signature Series.
It's only about $10 more for the same order. I'll probably go that route for the next one.
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I've been using M1 for over 20 years. In my very raced turbo Eclipse it was changed every 3500 miles since the oil got dirty quick and with the STI it's got synthetic from the factory and must be changed at certain intervals to keep the warranty in tact.

With my NA '99 4Runner I change it every 8000 miles or 1 year whatever comes first but now that I only see about 4000 miles a year I just change it once a year. I just had to replace a valve cover gasket so I got a good look at the valve train and was impressed by how clean it was at 174,000 miles. I use Puralator PureOne filters too.

With the Focus we have dealer changes for 2 years so I'll just stick with what they put in then I'll go with M1.
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I was using XL in my Z06, just what I was used to ordering.
There was a Z06 behind me on the on-ramp the other day. I down-shifted to fourth and floored it and watched him fade away in my rear-view...power-to-weight baby...
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Any evidence around that "full" synthetic is better in real world road car use? Last time I checked into this there wasn't. Just ye olde marketing hype.
No marketing hype when I gain 1 mpg on average with a true synthetic over other cheaper blends and can use it for much longer as well. It's not only the base stock used, but the additive package it's formulated with. Amsoil doesn't cut corners on either aspect in Signature Series.

Better efficiency is the side effect of a lower frictional coefficient.



The question is, why do the large oil companies use group III and III+ base stocks instead of group IV and V? Saving money = more profits. True synthetic base stocks cost more.

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