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Old 06-04-2012, 04:46 PM   #31
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Just read in the latest Road & Track that for '13 "manual transmission Mustangs get hill-hold to prevent excessive rollback." Wonder if HSA will be coming to manual Focuses soon?
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:38 PM   #32
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According to ETIS, my 5/29 built 5MT SE Sport is "Less Hill Launch Assist."
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According to ETIS, my 5/29 built 5MT SE Sport is "Less Hill Launch Assist."
Right. I'm saying I wonder if they'll add it for '13 or after.
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Right. I'm saying I wonder if they'll add it for '13 or after.
Oh, I know. It's just that your recent post reminded me to follow up with a definitive answer (I had been asking if my car would have it or not).
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Old 06-04-2012, 07:26 PM   #35
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One of the main reasons stated by someone who buy a manual transmission is "I can do with it what I want when I want" (speaking, of course, of gear shifting). And a lot say "MT is for those who know how to change gears and use a clutch". I don't understand then why someone would be looking for HSA in a MT car ? If someone doesn't know how to do a stop-and-go on a hill (steep or not), well, I say to him to better get an automatic. There are two ways to do it:
- either using only the brake pedal or
- using the hand brake
The first needs knowledge and synchronisation, the second is for the beginers but a good method too. So, why do you really need HSA in a MT car ? Just asking.

P.S. I drove all my life MT, this car is my first automatic and yes, in Montreal we have some steep slopes/hills.
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No, I don't need Hill Start Assist and yes, I know how to drive a manual.

Now that that's out of the way, listen to what you're saying: HSA is not a feature for automatic cars. How many automatics have you driven that roll backwards down a hill when your foot is off the brake? Now the Focus, with DCT, is a different animal and will roll back, which is why I gather Ford added the HSA. But traditionally, HSA has been a feature associated with manual transmission cars.

My 6MT BMW has the feature, and as I said before, it's not something I would have ever thought I would have wanted. But now living with it for the past two years, I think it's nice. And I still get to control when my car shifts. I certainly don't buy MT's for the pleasure derived from properly launching on an incline (though I can do it, I'm perfectly happy to let the car hold the brake for a fraction of a second in this case).
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One of the main reasons stated by someone
- either using only the brake pedal or
Right. which requires a quick foot change and quick start. I'm proficient at doing so, but sometimes you don't have a choice. When s park on your bumper at the light there's not much you can do.

At any rate, I spent the weekend in the southside area of pittsburgh, and there are some damn hills! it was fun to shift around and travel some curves (not fast, but fun anyway).
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But traditionally, HSA has been a feature associated with manual transmission cars.

My 6MT BMW has the feature,
Thanks for the info. I didn't realize it has been installed with manuals before. I guess I assumed it was a DCT-only feature in their quest to make it mimic an automatic.

I can see where manual drivers just wouldn't want to deal with the added hassle of rolling back on hills and grow to like HSA as a result (as Bimmer Bob seems to have), but it should at least be something that can be turned off if desired.
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Thanks for the info. I didn't realize it has been installed with manuals before. I guess I assumed it was a DCT-only feature in their quest to make it mimic an automatic.

I can see where manual drivers just wouldn't want to deal with the added hassle of rolling back on hills and grow to like HSA as a result (as Bimmer Bob seems to have), but it should at least be something that can be turned off if desired.
It can be turned off. In fact, you have to activate it by holding the brake as you shift into first (with clutch in).
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.. Now that that's out of the way, listen to what you're saying: HSA is not a feature for automatic cars...
Bimmer-Bob, I think you understood me wrong. I asked why should one want HSA in a MT car, not stated that HSA is an automatic feature. HSA in an MT car is like using an "automatic" hand-brake for me. I think I would not need it but I can get used to it.
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