Ford Focus ST vs WRX vs GTi vs Volvo C30 vs Civic SI vs Veloster Turbo vs Mazdaspeed 3

[lyonsroar]

The previous .:r32 wasn't meant to be a fast car. It was meant to be a grand touring car. Luxury and speed mated together.

[ZX4STDoug]

Originally Posted by lyonsroar

The previous .:r32 wasn't meant to be a fast car. It was meant to be a grand touring car. Luxury and speed mated together.

Correct - and the Golf R isn't being marketed that way either. But the R has vastly more modification capabilities than the R32 ever did.

The APR dealer who did my car has already reflashed close to a dozen Golf R's, so customers are definitely taking advantage of it's ease of modification.

[felixthecat]

Originally Posted by lyonsroar

Why would VW refresh the gti to make 260 HP when the brand new, top of the line Golf R makes only 256 HP?

Could be that they are going to add the Audi TT RS motor to the R. Wishful thinking, huh.

[lyonsroar]

I'd be quite happy with either an mkv .:R32 or an R regardless if it has the TT RS engine inside. <3 the R's...

[mac.mogul]

I'd prefer if we had the Scirocco R...

[RonMaiden]

Yeah,that VW sure looks interesting but still no plans for a US version.

[felixthecat]

Originally Posted by lyonsroar

I'd be quite happy with either an mkv .:R32 or an R regardless if it has the TT RS engine inside. <3 the R's...

You know, you'd want the Golf R w/ the TT RS motor= you can't BS anyone=l LOL

[lyonsroar]

I'd take one regardless!

[suterp]

I cross shoped most of those vehicles before buying in April and concluded that the WRX is superior for heavy modding or driving in the snow belt but the focus ST is superior in just about every other way, although styling is pretty subjective and reliability fairly unknown for the ST. Btw, I couldn't wait for the ST so bought a mustang GT but could end up trading for an ST next year for the lighter weight, practicality, and mpg.

[dtecPwr]

Originally Posted by MacAttack

Fixed! Although, I should point out that while doing 0-60 in a straight line (and under 5 seconds) is fun, I think having all that torque available at a low rpm for coming out of turns fast is more fun.
To each his own though.
Actually, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually see that 4.8s in the real world? I had heard that it required a dead start, dropping the clutch, and perfect shifts to obtain.

Alright I read through all these pages and everyone has talked about every car on this list except one...the Volvo C30 T5

Has anyone looked at how close the performance numbers are between the new ST and the C30??? The C30 is based of the old mk2 focus ST in europe, so comparing number you can see how the new mk3 ST has slightly improved over the last model.

With that said as I am looking at new car I am comparing those two vehicles directly. Both cars look amazing, gas mileage is about the same, booth are 6-speeds, and both are boosted. Now here is where the C30 pulls ahead in my book...first its a 3 door hatch! Ford doesn't even offer that anymore. Second the new ST sounds like crap compared to that Volvo T5 goodness! Third it is pretty easy to build power on a T5 with simple bolt on's and tune. In the end the volvo is considered a premium car with great quality materials and reliability.

Anyone else agree???