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Old 05-31-2012, 05:00 PM   #71
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Exactly what I am trying to say. Know your car know its limits learn to drive it safe. I have seen people buy vettes mustangs BMW's and wreck them one person literally died because they didn't know the limits to their BMW.their rich parents bought the person a BMW 330i for their first car and then it was pedal to the metal with out getting to learn the limits to that 330. just trying to say take it slow learn how the car reacts to different things before going crazy with the gas pedal.
Again, nothing personal but a 330i is far from being some wild sports car... A 330i is kind of like, the base range of the 3-series...

That said, you can kill yourself in any vehicle if you're stupid enough.

Last year a group of kids died in an 09 Focus because they were going too fast, weaving in and out of traffic, got sideways and plowed side-first into a concrete median. Split the car in half and everyone died. It wasn't from lack of ability to control a small car with 120wheel horsepower, it was stupidity.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:02 PM   #72
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I meant 335 my bad but yea I agree
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Hate to break up the ST vs. Subie debate...but what about the new 2013 GTI? New platform and a 260 hp 2.0 liter. We almost bought the 2012 GTI because we were getting tired of waiting for the ST. If the GTI also upgrades their interior technology it should make for some stiff sales competition.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa... stop the music!! Is there truth in this?? I tried a google search and found conflicting information. Not doubting your sources... just wanna know what they are!

260 hp... and this in a lighter GTI than current gen? Available WHEN??? Definitely worth checking into...
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And then there's THIS little tidbit of news regarding the WRX and STi

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/2013-...electric-turbo

Definitely NOT a bad time to be an enthusiast of the sporty under 30k (albeit not in the highest end of models), I'd say...

And just to throw out one more car that wasn't mentioned yet (maybe because it's too small to be practical for most folks?), the Mini Cooper S. Probably not gonna win many straight line races, the little turbo version (earlier models were supercharged) has plenty upon plenty of cornering ability...
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Whoa, whoa, whoa... stop the music!! Is there truth in this?? I tried a google search and found conflicting information. Not doubting your sources... just wanna know what they are!

260 hp... and this in a lighter GTI than current gen? Available WHEN??? Definitely worth checking into...
Not much in the way of sources...just two articles. Maybe just wishful thinking.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...t-testing.html

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/volkswa...-ar125102.html
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Why would VW refresh the gti to make 260 HP when the brand new, top of the line Golf R makes only 256 HP?
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Why would VW refresh the gti to make 260 HP when the brand new, top of the line Golf R makes only 256 HP?
A good point.
Also, one of the sources lists the Golf GTI with 260hp taking 6.7 seconds to get to 60. That sounds a bit off for a Golf with that much power.
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A good point.
Also, one of the sources lists the Golf GTI with 260hp taking 6.7 seconds to get to 60. That sounds a bit off for a Golf with that much power.
Insideline and just about every other popular carsite is bummed about the new R's performance.
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Also considering MotorTrend just took a current GTI to 60mph in 6.1 secs and a 1/4 mile of 14.7.
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Insideline and just about every other popular carsite is bummed about the new R's performance.
I believe it's the added weight from the awd system and the fact it's a 6 speed manual conspire to work against the additional hp it offers vs. a standard GTI with a DSG.

You can get close to Golf R type hp/tq numbers with a simple reflash of the ECU on a standard GTI, with no other modifications needed. The previous R32 wasn't a "fast" vehicle either, but at least the 2.0T in the R can be easily modified without breaking the bank, unlike the VR6.

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Also considering MotorTrend just took a current GTI to 60mph in 6.1 secs and a 1/4 mile of 14.7.
The GTI they tested in that comparison test was a DSG - consistently faster 0-60 times than a manual in the vehicle - always been that way.
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