Ford Focus ST vs WRX vs GTi vs Volvo C30 vs Civic SI vs Veloster Turbo vs Mazdaspeed 3

[lyonsroar]

Originally Posted by RedComet

Just wondering, what do you need 400 bhp for that's so much more important?

Dude. Because racecar.
Duh.

Guys a chauvinist, let him remain in his blissful, ignorant world. Eventually he'll have to make his own sandwich because all his girls will be out driving their 400 BHP vehicles around.

[RedComet]

Originally Posted by lyonsroar

Dude. Because racecar.
Duh.

Guys a chauvinist, let him remain in his blissful, ignorant world. Eventually he'll have to make his own sandwich because all his girls will be out driving their 400 BHP vehicles around.

Well played.

[Rockstar92]

1.) I don't need 400 bhp because I feel like it is to much for me to handle before learning to seriously drive.

2.) how am I chauvinist for pointing out that more guys are into cars than girls?

3.) say what you will but if you can't truly appreciate a car for what it is why own it?

4.) fast cars are Just oversteer disasters waiting to happen.

All I am saying is, be it guy or girl I don't feel like you can truly appreciate that much power if you can't even drive it with out wrecking it first. So many people wreck their cars due to throttle induced oversteer. That is where the girl thing comes in not very many girls ( as opposed to guys )love cars enough to want to learn to drive them fast properly. I apologize if my op came out the wrong way was not trying in anyway to point out that guys are more superior to girls.

[Rockstar92]

Also not trying to say I can appreciate that kind of power ether. I would first take a bunch of racing lessons before ever thinking about buying something that fast. Even 300 bhp is alot to me so just saying dude.

[ZX4STDoug]

Originally Posted by BertST

Hate to break up the ST vs. Subie debate...but what about the new 2013 GTI? New platform and a 260 hp 2.0 liter. We almost bought the 2012 GTI because we were getting tired of waiting for the ST. If the GTI also upgrades their interior technology it should make for some stiff sales competition.

-Bert Sr.

This interior technology you speak of is the primary reason I don't have stronger interest in the ST. Personally, I don't like the interior layout of the new Focus, as I don't personally have a whole lot of use for "features" such as MyFordTouch etc. Just another driver distraction imo. I feel the interior in my car is one of it's strong suites - it's clean, simply laid out, ergonomics are spot on, and build quality is excellent.

[RonMaiden]

I hope the new GTIs are built better than the Jettas over the last decade as they were electrical nightmares when people were modding them and my friend's BR6 was in the shop 5 times before he even hit 20k miles. If the VW wasn't made in Germany it's bound to have issues but they are great cars.

[MacAttack]

One of the main goals for the engineers of the ST was to beat the current GTI in every way. But a 260hp GTI? Could be interesting.


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[mac.mogul]

Originally Posted by Rockstar92

Also not trying to say I can appreciate that kind of power ether. I would first take a bunch of racing lessons before ever thinking about buying something that fast. Even 300 bhp is alot to me so just saying dude.

Nothing personal, but you must be an awful driver if you're afraid of 300hp.

What does a girl need with 400 horsepower? Idk, why don't you ask the thousands of girls driving around in their 5.0 Mustangs.

I know a girl who's got over 900 horsepower and that's just in her Mustang. Her GWE 392 Challenger has well over 500.

[RonMaiden]

John Force's daughters were probably driving cars down the strip with more HPs than anything we'll ever drive and that was all before they were 18.

That's a weak argument since I know ton of guys that can barely handle 200hp.

[gold_zx3]

Originally Posted by BertST

Hate to break up the ST vs. Subie debate...but what about the new 2013 GTI? New platform and a 260 hp 2.0 liter. We almost bought the 2012 GTI because we were getting tired of waiting for the ST. If the GTI also upgrades their interior technology it should make for some stiff sales competition.

-Bert Sr.

Whaaaa? Very interesting...and as far as the interior of the GTI's go, I agree with Doug e fresh. They definitely have a simple yet tasteful design. I like plaid...