Ford Focus ST vs WRX vs GTi vs Volvo C30 vs Civic SI vs Veloster Turbo vs Mazdaspeed 3

[MacAttack]

As far as bias, remember that a few months ago, I was seriously considering ending my wait for the ST and getting a WRX. It was sitting down and comparing the cars that lead me to decide to wait for the ST. After seeing it in action in person, I think I made the right choice. I tried to use nothing but facts for this sheet so it could be an honest comparison for anyone looking at one of these cars.


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[RonMaiden]

I couldn't compare a car that's been out for a couple of years to one that isn't even in production yet.

[besthaticouldo]

Originally Posted by MacAttack

Fixed! Although, I should point out that while doing 0-60 in a straight line (and under 5 seconds) is fun, I think having all that torque available at a low rpm for coming out of turns fast is more fun.
To each his own though.
Actually, I've been meaning to ask, do you actually see that 4.8s in the real world? I had heard that it required a dead start, dropping the clutch, and perfect shifts to obtain.

cool.

yea, i'm definitely seeing that. my car is definitely faster than that now. a few mods and you're driving a fire breathing dragon.

the reason i bought my WRX instead of waiting for the ST, i paid 25,200 out the door for my car. it has insane street performance and where do we drive all our cars, on the street. so it made the most sense. its also insanely safe, has great options, an insanely good aftermarket. it seemed to make the most sense. i drove my car the first time and it absolutely blew my mind.

[RedComet]

Originally Posted by VTwin60

OK first things first 2011 Impreza for the 2011 year, Impreza was down to 27,391 from 36,072 in 2010. Thats a drop of -24.07%. STIs only made up 13805 of that number. Do yourself a favor and look at the sales numbers for other cars and tell me what you find. Better yet here an insight for you for the 2010 Mustang which "only" sold 66,623, and that is an all time record low.

Yes, let's compare salesfigures between one of the world's oldest automakers that's native to the US, that sells the most popular sportscars of all time to a import carmaker that in the U.S., if they sold 1/6th the number of cars as Ford did in any given FY, they'd pat themselves on the back. Really, guy?

As for the problems of the piston ringlands, if they've started cropping up again, then that's truly unfortunate.

[Rockstar92]

Honestly, I feel like unless your seriously gonna track your car it doesn't matter what you go with. And even then you are still going to mod it to make faster times so I would just go with the wrx for the awd just because it would put power down to the ground better than a fwd. Plus with correct suspension upgrades it will also corner better.

[besthaticouldo]

Originally Posted by RedComet

Yes, let's compare salesfigures between one of the world's oldest automakers that's native to the US, that sells the most popular sportscars of all time to a import carmaker that in the U.S., if they sold 1/6th the number of cars as Ford did in any given FY, they'd pat themselves on the back. Really, guy?

As for the problems of the piston ringlands, if they've started cropping up again, then that's truly unfortunate.

the 11s dont have nearly that problem. there are guys with 450+whp and not having problems. our cars are better than that. but they cheaped out on intercoolers, the plastic endtanks break easily.

Originally Posted by Rockstar92

Honestly, I feel like unless your seriously gonna track your car it doesn't matter what you go with. And even then you are still going to mod it to make faster times so I would just go with the wrx for the awd just because it would put power down to the ground better than a fwd. Plus with correct suspension upgrades it will also corner better.

this is correct

[Rockstar92]

Originally Posted by VTwin60

OK first things first 2011 Impreza for the 2011 year, Impreza was down to 27,391 from 36,072 in 2010. Thats a drop of -24.07%. STIs only made up 13805 of that number. Do yourself a favor and look at the sales numbers for other cars and tell me what you find. Better yet here an insight for you for the 2010 Mustang which "only" sold 66,623, and that is an all time record low.

Another thing is the WRX ONLY comes in manual no auto. Not many people can drive manual and others are to lazy to drive manual. Like 90% of cars in America are auto. Only a real car enthusiast drive manual. So, point being on the other hand the mustang does come in auto. Which is why they sell so much more than a WRX. That is one major problem I would have buying a mustang because alot girls and wannabes drive auto mustang gt's. Not that I have a problem with girls driving a high powered car but only like 3% of girls really love cars and actually can appreciate a v8 other than that I don't see what a girl needs 400 horsepower for. Also no offense to autos I know they rule the drag strip but it is what it is.

[RedComet]

Originally Posted by Rockstar92

I don't see what a girl needs 400 horsepower for. .

Just wondering, what do you need 400 bhp for that's so much more important?

[BertST]

Hate to break up the ST vs. Subie debate...but what about the new 2013 GTI? New platform and a 260 hp 2.0 liter. We almost bought the 2012 GTI because we were getting tired of waiting for the ST. If the GTI also upgrades their interior technology it should make for some stiff sales competition.

-Bert Sr.

[RedComet]

Are they actually doing the new gen GTI for 2013? I thought it would appear later than that. I hear it's supposed to be another 100kg lighter, too, always a welcome thing.