new TSB 12-5-5 for manual trans focii

[BetaDnB]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Uh, wrong. No throttle and the engine stalls. Pretty simple.

Just like it stalls in neutral with no throttle, right? Or with the clutch in with no gas, right? Either go try it for yourself or go troll somebody else. Or go buy an automatic.

[suss6052]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Uh, wrong. No throttle and the engine stalls. Pretty simple.

That's not 100% true, sure if you just release the clutch without modulating at the bite point on a car with very little torque at idle it will stall, but it is possible to get the engagement just right that the car starts to move without ever applying the throttle, I've experienced this in my old car, which had a 5 speed manual beside an i4 1.6L engine that made maybe 105 hp when it was new at 5000+ rpm and basically nothing at idle, feather the clutch just a little bit to get a feel for the bite point and the car doesn't stall even with no throttle applied. Besides with a newer car with a computer controlled throttle the computer could compensate by opening the throttle slightly enough that makes the whole point moot if they chose to.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Disagreeing isn't trolling, d-bag.

And you can't launch in neutral. Do you even know what launching is?!?

[BetaDnB]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Disagreeing isn't trolling, d-bag.

No, but trying to call somebody out who's trying to teach you something when you're wrong is. Then calling them a d-bag...that sort of "intellect" is absolutely mind numbing to me.

Originally Posted by suss6052

That's not 100% true, sure if you just release the clutch without modulating at the bite point on a car with very little torque at idle it will stall, but it is possible to get the engagement just right that the car starts to move without ever applying the throttle, I've experienced this in my old car, which had a 5 speed manual beside an i4 1.6L engine that made maybe 105 hp when it was new at 5000+ rpm and basically nothing at idle, feather the clutch just a little bit to get a feel for the bite point and the car doesn't stall even with no throttle applied. Besides with a newer car with a computer controlled throttle the computer could compensate by opening the throttle slightly enough that makes the whole point moot if they chose to.

That wasn't a 5th gen Civic by chance, was it?

[Bimmer-Bob]

Originally Posted by suss6052

That's not 100% true, sure if you just release the clutch without modulating at the bite point on a car with very little torque at idle it will stall, but it is possible to get the engagement just right that the car starts to move without ever applying the throttle, I've experienced this in my old car, which had a 5 speed manual beside an i4 1.6L engine that made maybe 105 hp when it was new at 5000+ rpm and basically nothing at idle, feather the clutch just a little bit to get a feel for the bite point and the car doesn't stall even with no throttle applied. Besides with a newer car with a computer controlled throttle the computer could compensate by opening the throttle slightly enough that makes the whole point moot if they chose to.

Nope, sorry, car doesn't move with no application of throttle. If the car is adding computer-controlled throttle, that's still application of throttle.

[Bimmer-Bob]

I know you think you're teaching me something, but you're the one who is wrong. And you started wih he name-calling, so quit acting so offended. Sheesh.

[amoosenamedhank]

You don't need any application of the throttle pedal to get the car to move forward. Especially at initial start up when the car is still in high idle. Pulling out of my garage, I don't touch the throttle pedal until I get to the street and put the car into 1st. The driveway is sloped, but the garage is flat.

You can also use first gear when the car is rolling, you just have to rev match so you don't get the huge jerk when you engage the clutch.

[BetaDnB]

LOL...not another one of these guys. Where did I call you name? I used a verb, but never called you a name. Everything is bigger in Texas including your head or what? I'll take video later. Then maybe you won't run around like a know-it-all.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Telling someone they're trolling implies that they're a troll, but thanks for the grammar lesson (and you call me a know-it-all, lol?).

Look, maybe the Focus adds throttle on its own, as Suss said - but traditionally in a manual there is no forward motion with idle. Knock yourself out with the video.

Not to mention, simply creeping forward is hardly "launching."

[amoosenamedhank]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Telling someone they're trolling implies that they're a troll, but thanks for the grammar lesson (and you call me a know-it-all, lol?).

Look, maybe the Focus adds throttle on its own, as Suss said - but traditionally in a manual there is no forward motion with idle. Knock yourself out with the video.

I've driven manuals ranging from 1965 to this here 2012. You do not need the throttle to initial the car moving forward. It's not some new fangled technology.... you are basically slipping the clutch slowly enough until the car starts moving forward. Not how I would recommend driving around town, but it will work.