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Old 03-30-2012, 07:17 PM   #151
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what rpm is 5th gear?

on the DCT 6th gear at 75 is only 2800 rpm

5th gear is right around the same..are you sure 80 isnt 2800?
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:19 PM   #152
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btw i put two vids in the duratec chat

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5th gear is right around the same..are you sure 80 isnt 2800?
i will double check when i go home in a few minutes
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ill actually do the same now
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okay so 70mph is between 2900-3000rpms 75mph is 3200rpms and 80 is about 3400rpms
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5th gear is right around the same..are you sure 80 isnt 2800?
Yep 75 is 2800. verified on way home. love fridays
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okay so 70mph is between 2900-3000rpms 75mph is 3200rpms and 80 is about 3400rpms
70 mph should be 3007 rpm with the 5 speed manual and 15" tires on the s model, that works out to 42.96 rev/mph. With the 16" tires that brings the rpm at 70 mph down to 2958 or in other words 42.26 rev/mph. With the 17" wheels this would only theoretically get you down to 2934.5 rpm.

The DCT with its 6th gear is doing 2627 rpm at 70 mph with the 15" wheels or 381 rpm less than the manual with the 15" wheels. With the 16" wheels the car would be doing 2584 rpm at 70 mph or 374 rpm less than the manual car in 5th gear. The 17" and 18" wheels effectively have the same outer diameter and would result in an rpm at 70 mph of 2563 rpm. This is again a reduction in engine speed of 371.5 rpm.

This was calculated using the relationship between the road speed to the engine speed, factoring in the gear ratio, rolling radius of the tire, as well as the axle ratio, (which in the case of the dct there are actually two ratios, but since we were just focusing in on the rpm at 70 in my comparison it made the end math simpler even though I'd already gone and calculated all of the N/V ratios (engine speed divided by road speed using the following equation: 168*Ra*Rt/rr

Where 168 is a conversion factor that allowed me to use the English unit system of measurement with the rolling radius for the tire in inches, I did have a table to look these up based on the size of the oem tires used on the ford focus, and the gear ratio specifications from the ford media page.

From what I've heard this seems to fairly accurately calculate the engine speed at various road speeds if held constantly in one gear. Of course in the real world one would shift out of that gear if they felt the engine laboring too much or lugging too much.
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Yep 75 is 2800. verified on way home. love fridays
yeah mine was 2800 as well, maybe a little more but it wasnt flat.
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70 mph should be 3007 rpm with the 5 speed manual and 15" tires on the s model, that works out to 42.96 rev/mph. With the 16" tires that brings the rpm at 70 mph down to 2958 or in other words 42.26 rev/mph. With the 17" wheels this would only theoretically get you down to 2934.5 rpm.

The DCT with its 6th gear is doing 2627 rpm at 70 mph with the 15" wheels or 381 rpm less than the manual with the 15" wheels. With the 16" wheels the car would be doing 2584 rpm at 70 mph or 374 rpm less than the manual car in 5th gear. The 17" and 18" wheels effectively have the same outer diameter and would result in an rpm at 70 mph of 2563 rpm. This is again a reduction in engine speed of 371.5 rpm.

This was calculated using the relationship between the road speed to the engine speed, factoring in the gear ratio, rolling radius of the tire, as well as the axle ratio, (which in the case of the dct there are actually two ratios, but since we were just focusing in on the rpm at 70 in my comparison it made the end math simpler even though I'd already gone and calculated all of the N/V ratios (engine speed divided by road speed using the following equation: 168*Ra*Rt/rr

Where 168 is a conversion factor that allowed me to use the English unit system of measurement with the rolling radius for the tire in inches, I did have a table to look these up based on the size of the oem tires used on the ford focus, and the gear ratio specifications from the ford media page.

From what I've heard this seems to fairly accurately calculate the engine speed at various road speeds if held constantly in one gear. Of course in the real world one would shift out of that gear if they felt the engine laboring too much or lugging too much.
thank you, that is helpful.
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