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Old 12-21-2011, 08:39 AM   #91
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Well, if you arent at cobo (can you believe that place is still in operation??) I will be, and I'll try to get some pics that wont show up in the rags...
Good point on the residuals, but I think we might see that problem fade as anything with a "hatch" will no longer have to mean SUV, thanks to the Focus! I mean, I don't think a lot of people know the diff between a car hatch and an SUV tailgate anyway, so maybe we can call wagons an "Earth Friendly-er SUV" and out some people into a wagon, just so they get to see that actually driving is more fun than looking "successful" in their mini-SUV...Escapes, gotta love em..lol, 9.5% more cargo room than a focus 5 door, 90.5% less capability than a vehicle called SUV should have...
I work in Downtown Detroit about a 1/2 mile from old Cobo (and always go to the show). The auto show told them a couple years ago they need to upgrade the facilities or they will pull the show out of Detroit. There are renovations going on as we speak but I don't recall any of the details.

I was cracking up at your Escape comments...aren't you aware that SUV's are super-cool and make you super-cool because you drive one.

I would like to see a Focus Wagon but bball40dtw makes a pretty compelling argument of why we probably will not see it.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:02 AM   #92
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I'm with everyone in hoping that we get a Focus wagon. A Fusion wagon would be great as well, especially since both the Focus and Mondeo have existing wagon versions. I would also buy either one. However, I don't know if my wife would pick a Focus wagon over an Escape. She already wants an Escape to replace our Focus Titanium, partly because she wants to kill MFT with fire.

Here's to hoping there is a Focus wagon besides the C-Max or Escape at Cobo. I'll take mine with the 1.6T and a manual thank you, and I don't care if it costs 27K.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:35 AM   #93
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perhaps if the gov't required vehicles of 'like usage' to have the same level of gas mileage we'd see fewer (or the demise of?) SUVs. The current and proposed CAFE standards are idiocy that only gov't can manufacture. Let's face it, most folks don't use SUVs for their intended purpose but simply as large truck-like station wagons (estate cars?) If SUVs were required to have same mileage standards as passenger cars (for that IS what they are) then companies would be forced to make SUVs attain better mileage, not make them at all, or make them with performance so dismal no one would buy one. Then folks would flock to wagons as they did in the 50's and 60's. With the exception of sitting higher in a SUV, a wagon can do everything a SUV can and handle better w/ better gas mileage.
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perhaps if the gov't required vehicles of 'like usage' to have the same level of gas mileage we'd see fewer (or the demise of?) SUVs. The current and proposed CAFE standards are idiocy that only gov't can manufacture. Let's face it, most folks don't use SUVs for their intended purpose but simply as large truck-like station wagons (estate cars?) If SUVs were required to have same mileage standards as passenger cars (for that IS what they are) then companies would be forced to make SUVs attain better mileage, not make them at all, or make them with performance so dismal no one would buy one. Then folks would flock to wagons as they did in the 50's and 60's. With the exception of sitting higher in a SUV, a wagon can do everything a SUV can and handle better w/ better gas mileage.
Cobie makes too much sense for the government.

The car companies are building SUVs and big trucks because that's what sells. SUVs and trucks (along with shedding contacts and screwing bondholders) are responsible for Chrysler and GM getting back to profitability. CAFE isn't just about fuel economy, it's about protecting the margins on the three most profitable vehicles/platforms of the last 20 years, F-150, Silverado, and Ram. That would be a combined $108 billion or around $5.5 billion a year of pre-tax revenue. If anyone wants to get the taxpayer money back from GM and Chrysler, lets hope they sell enough trucks and horrible SUVs to make money, and perhaps build compact wagons. Remember, in the brave new auto world, it's about platform profitability, not necessarily individual model profitablity.

But......The best way to shift towards more fuel effiecient vehicles by changing consumer behavior is simple. What is the number one cost of owning a car? Fuel! Raise that Fedreal gas tax and have the funds only fix our infastructure and pay down our debt. Wait, that makes too much sense too.
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I agree with you... while no one likes to pay alot for gasoline, it is ridiculously cheap in this country... Even Mexico and Canada, both self sufficient in oil, gasoline costs more due to higher taxes.
At least dedicated higher fuel taxes will pay for much needed infrastructure projects unless the congress gets their greedy soiled hands on it.


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Cobie makes too much sense for the government.

The car companies are building SUVs and big trucks because that's what sells. SUVs and trucks (along with shedding contacts and screwing bondholders) are responsible for Chrysler and GM getting back to profitability. CAFE isn't just about fuel economy, it's about protecting the margins on the three most profitable vehicles/platforms of the last 20 years, F-150, Silverado, and Ram. That would be a combined $108 billion or around $5.5 billion a year of pre-tax revenue. If anyone wants to get the taxpayer money back from GM and Chrysler, lets hope they sell enough trucks and horrible SUVs to make money, and perhaps build compact wagons. Remember, in the brave new auto world, it's about platform profitability, not necessarily individual model profitablity.

But......The best way to shift towards more fuel effiecient vehicles by changing consumer behavior is simple. What is the number one cost of owning a car? Fuel! Raise that Fedreal gas tax and have the funds only fix our infastructure and pay down our debt. Wait, that makes too much sense too.
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Old 12-21-2011, 04:02 PM   #96
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Well, Chevy is making a (for europe, for now) Cruze wagon, so maybe our odds will go up too...
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I think the Wagon looks better then the Hatch... love the sedan taillights in it and I think it has smoother lines.
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Yes, the lines. I really love the lines on this wagon.
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alota people say the lines of the hatch are better, but I am also a believer in this wagons lines...
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