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Old 11-13-2011, 08:03 PM   #21
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Voldar: very instructive video.

I am not speaking from my own experience with TCS -- but rather, I refer to the experience that early 2011 model year Ford Fiesta owners have been having.

Ford offered the Fiesta, in its 1st and 2nd iterations (of model year 2011) without the ability to turn off the TCS system. They then offered the car, in its third iteration of Body Control Module -- with the ability, thru the interactive screen, to turn off the TCS system.

The reason they did this, is 'cause a sizable contingent of owners found that on glare ice, the car simply would not move, despite the throttle being pushed gently, or being pushed fully, or whatever. So, when cars would encounter ice in the middle of an intersection (once the driver decided that he had enough car-space / safety margin to proceed to cross the intersection) - they would simply stop dead in their tracks. No response to the throttle. They felt like they were "sitting ducks"! Now, granted, the conditions were very icy. And in many of the cases, the people had just the OEM all-season radials, rather than all-weather tires (better) or winter tires (better yet) or ice-optimized winter tires (best).

However, quitei a few found it to be very, very bad.

I suspect it was how Ford calibrates the TCS.

The same did not seem to occur in the video, with the Bosch-developed TCS.

I note that the 2012 Mazda 3 has a dash-board-selected TCS-off / ESC-off combination switch. The owners manual has a section in it, that indicates the conditions under which the switch should be actuated.

The Focus has the ability, in 3 of the 4 trim lines, to turn-off the TCS (but not the ESC). They undoubtedly have this in place (as they now have this in place for the Fiesta) for a reason!

Incidentally, in order (in the S Model Focus) to momentarily cancel out the TCS -- all a person needs to do is rig an interrupt switch, to any of the ABS sensor wires to any one of the wheels. Actuating the switch will kill the system; moving the switch back to original position will (with about a 20 second delay) restore normal action.

The problem is that this switch will simultaneously kill the TCS, the ESC, and the ABS all at the same time. It is very hard (some say, well-nigh impossible) to rig an arrangement to only kill the TCS or to only kill the TCS and ESC (and not the ABS) unless you know how to break into the encrypted software, and you know how to code!

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Old 11-15-2011, 11:29 AM   #22
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Great video! I checked out the basic winter tire package at Tire Rack. The one with General AltaMax Arctic's mounted on 15" steel wheels. (No TPMS) Has anyone tried them? How ugly will the car be with just black steel wheels? I'm thinking it may be worth it......
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:36 AM   #23
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Great video! I checked out the basic winter tire package at Tire Rack. The one with General AltaMax Arctic's mounted on 15" steel wheels. (No TPMS) Has anyone tried them? How ugly will the car be with just black steel wheels? I'm thinking it may be worth it......
I will vouch for them. We have them on the wife's car. 15" wheels and a taller and skinnier tire will have you laughing at anything less than a foot (unless your car is lowered!), taking slick corners without fear and stopping on ice in 1/2 the distance of most A/S tires...
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:39 AM   #24
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Thanks for that feedback. Our Focus is primarily my Wife's car too. She leaves for work very early, usually before snow plows have done much. It's only a two mile commute, but the extra assurance of the winter tires is comforting.

Did you get wheel covers, or just go with black steel?

Part of me thinks the wheel covers would just get beat up and fall off anyway, so why bother.

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Old 11-15-2011, 11:51 AM   #25
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Blizzaks, great choice.
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Yah. Black, unadorned steelies for that tough and functional look. Esp if the car is silver (and even if not), it's a good look
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Ours is Silver too. I think I'm sold. Thanks!

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Old 11-15-2011, 04:20 PM   #28
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If you get the titanium sport package get winter tires asap.

The Michelin PS3's you get from the factory a terrible on snow and if there's even a little ice your screwed. Was going 15k/h and slid right off the road going around a curve over the last weekend when it snowed here. Suffice it too say

Michelin PS3 = great in summer deadly in winter.
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Blizzaks, great choice.
It's still too warm here for me to switch over to the Blizzak WS70 tires (on Taurus rims), but I'm looking forward to trying them out in the snow.
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Old 11-15-2011, 06:56 PM   #30
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We had a moderate storm, with several inches of snow, slowed down to 30, and passed alot of spun out SUVs, so no complaints from me.

Only time traction control warned me was when I got home and kicked it into reverse to back into my driveway.

This was with the SFE's Low Rolling Resistance tires.
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