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Old 05-23-2011, 10:30 AM   #11
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It's your car's way of telling you to go jump off the tallest cliff you can find.

I'll reinforce it, if you're putting drop-in HIDs onto stock reflector housings, jump off a cliff. Or get a car meant for them, like a mid 90's crapbox Civic with a fart can and a wing.

The 2012's have very headlights. If you're still having trouble seeing the road, you shouldn't be allowed on the road in the first place.

Don't drag the rep of the new Focus into the mud ALREADY...
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Old 05-23-2011, 10:53 AM   #12
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Thanks, but if it were only a light on the dash I wouldn't mind. It cuts power to my headlights when it goes into dipped beam fault.. As far as HID in a stock housing I appreciate the advice but I've had HID is my F150 for 5 years and never had any discoloring or night time glare.
My only additional comment would be that owning an F-150 and being a lot higher off the ground means your US DOT stock lamps are definitely not meant to perform with HIDs.

US lamp regulations do not require cars to have their lamps aimed at any particular degree up or down depending on the height of the vehicle. Therefore my Matrix and your F-150 utilize the same plane for aiming the lamps whereas in European standards, a taller vehicle would be required to have proper aiming so the beam points slightly downward relative to the lamps distance from the ground.

It's the same reason a lot of the luxury cars with projector HIDs in the US have auto-level as an option or standard equip. It's standard to have in Europe. So adding an HID to something that is already taller than a standard car means a lot more scattered light gets tossed around to other people.

I could go on for paragraphs about lighting as I've spent a lot of time/money/effort in applications and research on the topic and my own trial/errors with cars.
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It's not the discoloring to you. It's everyone else to has to look into the sun as you pass by. There's a Suburban with HIDs in reflector housing that lives next door to me and I pass him all the time. Each time it pisses me off so much I wanna take a baseball bat to his headlights!
Tell him his HID sucks and/or he's installed them or aimed them improperly. I've had HIDs in my F150 and Mustang for quite some time now without any problems or complaints from other drivers. I've also had my friends drive my cars towards me while I drive theirs towards them so I can see for myself how it looks. I am very concerned about other drivers on the road so I do this just to make sure. I've very rarely had anyone flash their high beams at me (once I've adjusted the height properly). Considering I've owned several cars with OEM HIDs and OEM halogens and I've been flashed by more drivers with those cars than I have with my aftermarket HIDs.

In short, I think it's an over generalization to put all aftermarket HID applications into the same group.

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Old 05-23-2011, 02:05 PM   #14
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Thanks, but if it were only a light on the dash I wouldn't mind. It cuts power to my headlights when it goes into dipped beam fault.
What is a "dipped beam fault?"

What is a canceler?

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Old 05-23-2011, 02:08 PM   #15
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It's your car's way of telling you to go jump off the tallest cliff you can find.

I'll reinforce it, if you're putting drop-in HIDs onto stock reflector housings, jump off a cliff. Or get a car meant for them, like a mid 90's crapbox Civic with a fart can and a wing.

The 2012's have very headlights. If you're still having trouble seeing the road, you shouldn't be allowed on the road in the first place.

Don't drag the rep of the new Focus into the mud ALREADY...
What are "very headlights?"

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My only additional comment would be that owning an F-150 and being a lot higher off the ground means your US DOT stock lamps are definitely not meant to perform with HIDs.

US lamp regulations do not require cars to have their lamps aimed at any particular degree up or down depending on the height of the vehicle. Therefore my Matrix and your F-150 utilize the same plane for aiming the lamps whereas in European standards, a taller vehicle would be required to have proper aiming so the beam points slightly downward relative to the lamps distance from the ground.

It's the same reason a lot of the luxury cars with projector HIDs in the US have auto-level as an option or standard equip. It's standard to have in Europe. So adding an HID to something that is already taller than a standard car means a lot more scattered light gets tossed around to other people.

I could go on for paragraphs about lighting as I've spent a lot of time/money/effort in applications and research on the topic and my own trial/errors with cars.
My F150 has a 4" lift with 35 inch tires. No glare. No pissed off drivers. I've looked at them in a buddy's car when he's driving my truck and they aren't any worse than any other car on the road.

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Old 05-23-2011, 02:19 PM   #17
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No point in arguing with those who buy the sub $100 crappy HIDs and stick them in stock reflectors. They'll say whatever to prove their point, and don't really care about anyone else on the road.
By saying "they" and "those" do you mean every person with sub $100 crappy HIDs? Isn't that a little prejudiced?

I go to great lengths to ensure other drivers aren't blinded by my headlights. So far the kits I've purchased have been just fine once I properly aim the beams. Every kit I've installed has required the beam height to be adjusted vs. the OEM bulbs. Perhaps it's this fact (and not the HID kit themselves) that makes them so controversial. Maybe people either aren't bothering to re-aim them, or when they do they're aimed too high?

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Just an FYI (not being a tool) but there is a neat little button called "multi-quote" that you can just click below each person post that you want to reply to and when you click on "post reply" they all come up automatically in one reply for you to add your thoughts too.

Aside from that, aftermarket HIDs are to each their own. I just would never use them again unless I did a retrofit with a set of Audi or Acura projectors. But for the cost of doing a proper retrofit on most cars, it's not worth my time.
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Just an FYI (not being a tool) but there is a neat little button called "multi-quote" that you can just click below each person post that you want to reply to and when you click on "post reply" they all come up automatically in one reply for you to add your thoughts too.
I had wondered what the multi-quote was for. Thanks for the info.

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By saying "they" and "those" do you mean every person with sub $100 crappy HIDs? Isn't that a little prejudiced?

I go to great lengths to ensure other drivers aren't blinded by my headlights. So far the kits I've purchased have been just fine once I properly aim the beams. Every kit I've installed has required the beam height to be adjusted vs. the OEM bulbs. Perhaps it's this fact (and not the HID kit themselves) that makes them so controversial. Maybe people either aren't bothering to re-aim them, or when they do they're aimed too high?

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