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Old 03-29-2011, 05:13 PM   #11
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Lol i was gonna write something but didnt know what to write.
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You could say how you feel about the paypal idea =P
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the paypal idea..... hmmmmmmmm......

I dunno, but like Ray said, We need to decide who is going to take leadership over this, Im down to helping with stuff, like the 79 dollars for the website thing and the paypal acount and such, but i dont think we are ready for a paypal account if we are not organized.

not to bring any rant or anything but I was invited to join team high rev by James (my friend with the RSX) the reason we liked it is because they are a very unified team, and very organized, they have a bank acount and they charge a fee every three weeks or something and all the money goes to the team, it pays for food (where food is bought) pays for car shows (like IR altho they dont go there) and more things they do.
I have to admit it seemed very attractive to me since him and I get along very well and we both like this whole car thing, the only reason I didn't do it is because I wanted to see what are We going to do with "team focalize"

like I said, I like the whole idea, and Im willing to help, but We need to discuss who is going to do what in the team, before we even think of having a paypal acount
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I was working all day, so didn't have a chance to post up again.

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A paypal account for a team and your website is all good, but the comment about paying for a member who can not afford to show or to cover parts needed, is quite a stretch. So, will that person always get their entrance fee paid for? Will that person always have parts to fix? Will that person need extra funds for food? What about the other member's? If that member can't afford his/her cost for an event's entrance fee, what about gas, food and lodging? So will all of that be covered?

Zab pointed out a team that utilizes the funds for team meet and eats and such. That's a better commitment to fulfill and present as oppose to saying it will cover a member's entrance fee.

As for covering for a team, this will not have enough members putting in $5 to cover for shows, the site, parts and misc for the whole team, as stated. So, then do you raise the cost of what everyone puts in to justify the cost of whatever you are trying to acheive?

Back to Zab saying you need to vote on a lead ... that's at least a step in the right direction. But who ... someone reliable, someone punctual, someone taking the step forward, someone who can cover a bill when needed, someone who will take the steps to keep the team together ... who?!?! ...

Also, the logo isn't even fully finalized ... there are 2 logos floating around on the group right? And then I remember when you guys were talking about the crew won't accept anyone that wasn't modified or no one who would participate in shows and such. Then you changed your mind on it. Right there is a point of un-organization and lack of leadership.

I am not trying to look down on you guys for this, I am just trying to get you all to open your eyes and look at the whole picuture.

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the paypal idea..... hmmmmmmmm......

I dunno, but like Ray said, We need to decide who is going to take leadership over this, Im down to helping with stuff, like the 79 dollars for the website thing and the paypal acount and such, but i dont think we are ready for a paypal account if we are not organized.

not to bring any rant or anything but I was invited to join team high rev by James (my friend with the RSX) the reason we liked it is because they are a very unified team, and very organized, they have a bank acount and they charge a fee every three weeks or something and all the money goes to the team, it pays for food (where food is bought) pays for car shows (like IR altho they dont go there) and more things they do.
I have to admit it seemed very attractive to me since him and I get along very well and we both like this whole car thing, the only reason I didn't do it is because I wanted to see what are We going to do with "team focalize"

like I said, I like the whole idea, and Im willing to help, but We need to discuss who is going to do what in the team, before we even think of having a paypal acount
well as far as leadership, i'm not gonna be "that guy", but i have been the guy to bring certain ideas to the table to being discuss such as this, or the sticker idea, hell the whole team. i did say i would write out the stuff (features articles, secondary or primary event picture taking, etc.) mainly doing the work on filling in the site with stuff and matt will be the guy to actually put it up.

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I was working all day, so didn't have a chance to post up again.

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A paypal account for a team and your website is all good, but the comment about paying for a member who can not afford to show or to cover parts needed, is quite a stretch. So, will that person always get their entrance fee paid for? Will that person always have parts to fix? Will that person need extra funds for food? What about the other member's? If that member can't afford his/her cost for an event's entrance fee, what about gas, food and lodging? So will all of that be covered?

Zab pointed out a team that utilizes the funds for team meet and eats and such. That's a better commitment to fulfill and present as oppose to saying it will cover a member's entrance fee.

As for covering for a team, this will not have enough members putting in $5 to cover for shows, the site, parts and misc for the whole team, as stated. So, then do you raise the cost of what everyone puts in to justify the cost of whatever you are trying to acheive?

Back to Zab saying you need to vote on a lead ... that's at least a step in the right direction. But who ... someone reliable, someone punctual, someone taking the step forward, someone who can cover a bill when needed, someone who will take the steps to keep the team together ... who?!?! ...

Also, the logo isn't even fully finalized ... there are 2 logos floating around on the group right? And then I remember when you guys were talking about the crew won't accept anyone that wasn't modified or no one who would participate in shows and such. Then you changed your mind on it. Right there is a point of un-organization and lack of leadership.

I am not trying to look down on you guys for this, I am just trying to get you all to open your eyes and look at the whole picuture.

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i do see your point ray, but as far as the leadership role goes, since i've been the one to bring the ideas to the table and making sure things go as well planned, then i would say i'm an unofficial leader. if the group wants to agree upon that and thinks i would be fit for the role then yea sure....as a matter fact, why don't we make a poll and see??

and no, there isn't 2 logos floating around, just 2 different sizes of the same one. we had a poll for that one remember? the whole thing about team focalize is to not be a biased group, by sharing ideas and agreeing to one thing as a whole, hence the reason of this thread. i would have paid $79 something for this website and then told u guys "we have a website up" without asking you guys if you think that was a good idea.
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As far as the whole paying for the entrance fee for shows, I was mentioning that under the assumption of the whole team. The same goes for the food and such. The parts, now that could be iffy and completely understandable as to why. That is why I mentioned very MINOR fixes and even stated 2 cases where it would be a cheap fix AND the fact that giving the money for that cause would be a majority vote and not based on a single person's decision. If most of the people decide that person X has used the fund too many times to fix their car then most people should vote against it. It's a system where, as long as everyone is honest and not just voting to be nice or be an ass, should work very well.

As far as leadership goes, I would say chuck. But he is very far from punctual but, on the other hand, I don't see anyone else stepping up to the plate. Ray, you would be a good candidate, but you already said you are just sitting back, watching everything and offering support and I respect that. So, unless someone other than chuck wants to step up and take control, plan everything out, and get shit done then, Chuck is the only person I can think of to do it. If I had "leadership abilities" I'd do it myself, but I wasn't graced with that so I won't even bother trying. I'll stick to maintaining the web site.

And about that, the paypal funds will not go towards our current site. I can pay for that myself, it's only $7.6* a month and I use it to host my personal site so, that's why I have no issues with paying the bill for that. The domain name is only $8/year so that's no issue either. So, as far as I'm concerned, the website isn't even an issue, aside from the $79 for the theme if that's what everyone wants.

Covering shows for the whole team for now could be a primary show once a year. I.E. Import Reactor. The funds could go towards getting everyone in to IR each year. If everyone pitches in their $5/mo then that's $60/year per person. IR is only around $50, I think the price went up from last year to this year though so that's something to take into consideration. Maybe we could up it to $10/mo or so and have $120/year per person $50 for the main show (Given price doesn't change) and $70 for food time. $10/mo on food will be 7 months, which is more than half the meets which would be good.

Of course, that's only if people put in the minimum. If someone gets generous and throws in $20 or $30 or even more every once in a while, we'll be looking at even more to play with as a team. And if for some reason we don't have enough to get everyone in the show, let's say we can't get 2 people in on paypal funds, there's no reason why 12 of us shouldn't be able to spot $10 to get them in (Including themselves throwing $10 in) and with the advance warning there's no reason why they shouldn't have $200 saved up for a hotel/food (Given no special surprises).

Everything can be worked with and as long as everyone can actually agree on something we should be good.... but that's the issue we have... noone wants to agree on shit at the moment. AFAIC we have a logo. IDGAF if it's black blue white red orange purple pink yellow w/e. Keep the font, have the 2 different sizes. It's done, the voting is over and most everyone wanted the original so that's what it's going to be. You don't like it? TFB.

I also stand by the "Need to participate in shows and meets" to be part of the team idea. We shouldn't just let every joe/jane that joins the forums and asks for a sticker get one, they need to prove themselves to the team before we consider them part of it. They need to start coming to meets (Not every single one, but if I had to put a number I'd say 8/12) and be willing to participate in ATLEAST Import Reactor, since we all know that it's once a year and always around mar/apr. There's no reason to not set aside $20/mo for yourself to get in and have money for hotel/food.


Blah.. I've typed another wall and i'll prob have more to say later but I'll leave it at this for now :o


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K, fair points.

So, who then will be keeping up with the money flow here? A treasurer is then needed.

As for me being a side-step spectate in this, I will remain there. You are right, Chuck does indeed bring up the topics and does indeed bring it up often to keep it in the minds of everyone, so that does keep it in the loop. And you are right that he is the only one really making an effort which would make him the better choice to lead the direction of Team-Focalized.

BUT CHUCK!!! You would really need to show that you can be there. So, often have I seen or heard of you not showing up for something you put together.

If you and Matt are doing this, you need to make sure you put your heads together to do it right.

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I also stand by the "Need to participate in shows and meets" to be part of the team idea. We shouldn't just let every joe/jane that joins the forums and asks for a sticker get one, they need to prove themselves to the team before we consider them part of it. They need to start coming to meets (Not every single one, but if I had to put a number I'd say 8/12) and be willing to participate in ATLEAST Import Reactor, since we all know that it's once a year and always around mar/apr.
Well, I do agree to an extent of the fact that members that participate keeps a team rolling. But why give people a standard/rule the must follow to be part of a team? We all know, that this has been hard times for us all and many o many of us haven't been able to make it to meets because of financial reasons or for the fact we work. PLUS, this is Houston ... it's freaking huge ... not all of us get together to often because of the drive.

But that's why I try to suggest meets at different locations around Houston. But that doesn't mean everyone is going to make 8/12 of those every year.


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I know this has happened in the past ... and we talk about meets and shows in plenty advance, and I agree. But there are times when peeps don't do this.

There needs to be some evaluation time to all this planning and make sure you aren't just throwing money into something that will die out because of lack of planning ahead.

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Well, I do agree to an extent of the fact that members that participate keeps a team rolling. But why give people a standard/rule the must follow to be part of a team? We all know, that this has been hard times for us all and many o many of us haven't been able to make it to meets because of financial reasons or for the fact we work. PLUS, this is Houston ... it's freaking huge ... not all of us get together to often because of the drive.

But that's why I try to suggest meets at different locations around Houston. But that doesn't mean everyone is going to make 8/12 of those every year.


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I know this has happened in the past ... and we talk about meets and shows in plenty advance, and I agree. But there are times when peeps don't do this.

There needs to be some evaluation time to all this planning and make sure you aren't just throwing money into something that will die out because of lack of planning ahead.

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Well, what I was thinkign with the paypal, was to setup a link and have everyone donate the money into there and then e-mail me their receipt. I will keep all these receipts logged on the E-mail server AND on my computer AND on an external drive dedicated to team related stuff (I'll look into a 500GB or 1TB drive. I'll have them organized for each month. If anything happens and the team falls through I can go back and do the math on what we have left in the account and we can split what's in there evenly among all of us. Math is my best subject so it shouldn't be an issue.

As far as managing the money, I had an idea about that. We could elect 3 people from different sides of the city and arrange the bank to only allow us to withdraw money if those 3 people are standing there. Of course these 3 people would have to be able to be trustworthy enough to be able to meet and withdraw money when it's needed. My first choices were me,Zab and Dean but chuck said we should put it to a vote. The reason WHy i say the three should be across town from eachother is just so it makes it more difficult to arrange anything to steal it. I.E Me Chuck and Justin being the 3 we could meet real easily and I could see that causing drama within the crew. Now, we could just divert this and just assign it to a single person, but it would have to be someone we all trust. I wouldn't mind handling it and I am a very honest person, it would also be easier since I would have control of the site and more than likely the paypal (I say this b/c i'm probably going to be the one to ste everything up.) If that's what the team wants to do then I have no issue being Site Admin/Treasurer.

Now, about people making the 8/12... That was just a random number and I completely understand not everyone will be able to make every meet. I will, however, stand by the "There's no reason to not have $20-$30 saved up to go to a meet when you were notified a month in advance about it" I would also like to say that I stand by the "There's no reason you shouldn't be able to get off work for one day a month in advance" BUT I understand there are some jobs that just don't work like that, but MOST jobs will let you have a single day off if you give them a months notice. What if falls down to in that case is.... IT NEVER HURTS TO ASK.

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The only problem i see in matts post right was the 3 selections, u and zab are fine but dean? The only meet hes been at in awhile and i mean awhile was IR. Im not trying to be mean here but im sure u know where im going. Thats kinda like putting chris as the leader when we havent seen him in god knows how long. And i know its hard to get days off or have the money to do things cuz im dealing with that now. The money idea is great but not everyone will be able to do every meet or show or w/e. Make sense? Im tired lol
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