tuning?'s

[ford_boy]

Super rich is not always safe.

Whats SOME tuners like to do is set them way to the rich side loosing power but the engine is safe

Too rich can cause problems too.

A rich mixture burns slower than a lean mixture. An extremely rich mixture will still be burning as it exits the combustion chamber. This drives your Exhaust Gas Temps way up. This can heat your exhaust valves up to the point where they will start to cause uncontrolled combustion in the combustion chamber.

uncontrolled combustion is what ruins your motor.

[PSUrivie]

yeah, do it right and get a wideband. Don't cut corners. I ran an exhaust and intake before I got my tune. I think alot of members start there then go for the tune.

[aTm Beaner]

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Originally Posted by SVT Naco
Randy, do you recommend people to get a wideband with simple bolt ons such as I/H/E or is that something most people buy once they start changing out the cams or getting boost? I know of other tuners such as Cobb and Works that do flashes without the need for a custom tune. They pretty much go the same way as FSWerks by telling clients this particular tune is for only with people with stock intake, cat-back, etc.

I don't push them into buying a wideband, no. If they ask if it's a good idea, yes it's better than not having one, sure. I haven't found it to be a necessity. Beneficial, yes, but for bolt-ons, not a necessity.

this is an answer from FSWerks. I highly recommend FSWerks because of their great customer service and their knowledge on the Duratec engine.

[1turbofocus]

I could care less what fs feels they need for there customers , thats his customers problems if they dont want to get all they can out of what they paid for

Focus-Power wants there Customers to get all they can out of what they paid for and to have the safest tune money can buy and that`s with adding a wide band air fuel gauge , In my opinion thats the best customer service a company can offer

Tom

[aTm Beaner]

Originally Posted by 1turbofocus

I could care less what fs feels they need for there customers...

Tom

childish response?

[zinsavage123]

what about if I choose a 93 tune for performance with bolt ons? is it going to make my 01 zx3 run safely? cause most say that high of octane can mess our cars up and leaves lots uf build up and deposits.

[04SVTFreak]

Originally Posted by aTm [:)

;3285085]this is an answer from FSWerks. I highly recommend FSWerks because of their great customer service and their knowledge on the Duratec engine.

why would tom care about that?

you must understand that when people buy wideband a/f gauges, Tom isn't making money off them. He doesn't have some inside deal with AEM and innovate, he is suggesting this because its beneficial and makes your car more safe. is it absolutely necessary? no. but it will help, it will make your car more safe and you will get more out of your tune. and honestly, it looks badass.

i don't think his response is childish, i think you're arguing about something that you honestly shouldn't care about, which is childish.

you can sit here and argue about how necessary a wide band is, but good luck trying to convince anybody here that it isn't beneficial, which is all that matters.

[aTm Beaner]

Originally Posted by ChaosParade

why would tom care about that?

you must understand that when people buy wideband a/f gauges, Tom isn't making money off them. He doesn't have some inside deal with AEM and innovate, he is suggesting this because its beneficial and makes your car more safe. is it absolutely necessary? no. but it will help, it will make your car more safe and you will get more out of your tune. and honestly, it looks badass.

i don't think his response is childish, i think you're arguing about something that you honestly shouldn't care about, which is childish.

you can sit here and argue about how necessary a wide band is, but good luck trying to convince anybody here that it isn't beneficial, which is all that matters.

for the record, i never once said that a wideband wasn't beneficial. i actually plan on getting one once my car is equipped with the Cossie manifold and some cams. it's one thing to say that you need a wideband, and it's another to say that your tune is worthless because you don't have one. seriously, how many duratec engines have you heard of being damaged just because someone got a flasher for his intake and exhaust? i'd understand if it came from a bad tuner, but we're talking about FSWerks. they are probably the most reputable and most dependable company for the Focus.

[1turbofocus]

It doesnt matter who does the tuning , Its a best guess when tuning with out a wide band , Me I want to know that my engine is safe and so do most people and tuners out there , If your happy with not knowing then so be it

Remember you chose your tuner because of cost not customer service or there ability to tune and those were your words , Now you beat on your chest about fs and you act like you chose them because there best , funny how your forgot about how you chose your tuner

Tom

[PSUrivie]

To the OP....do things RIGHT and wait a little longer to save the money and get your tune and wideband at the same time. You'll feel better knowing what your ratio is when you go to WOT.