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Old 04-25-2007, 12:05 PM   #41
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Found some video's of the finish of the course where the porsche crashed...

http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/bandit027/

He must have froze up or something b/c it looks like there's plenty of room to stop, or even turn if the brakes went out...
Thanks for posting the videos.

Like you, I am somewhat at a loss as to how it could happen. At this point, I am less inclined to blame course design based on what the video shows.

Looks like gross driver error.

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Sounds like you guys run a tight ship. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about grass and walls. Your events are considerably larger than ours (we only run about 60 cars per event) and I can see how it would be difficult to police an event.

With that many cars, I can see why you would need everone to be watching.

I do like the idea of pulling a participant if they are shall we say..."overly enthusiastic". Right now, if that happens at our events (unless they are really being stupid by doing it in the paddock), usually they get a talking to and the suggestion of taking an instructor.
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Old 04-25-2007, 12:26 PM   #42
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We always make it a point to talk about this sort of situation in our Driver Meetings. We let guys know, and I know I repeat it if I am the one giving the Novice Walk, that if you're truly out of control then the run is already boned and you need to just get off of it. If you're in that situation, then there's no way you can "save" the run anyway...

Maybe the finish was a kink the other way, but on my courses Finish NEVER points at paddock or any immovable obstacle, and I mean the general direction they will be speeding into at finish, not just a kink they can drive right through. If that compromises the course a bit, TFB.
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we get a large novice turn out each event, probaly only have about 100 regulars that attend every event rain or shine. I think our main issue with safety is rookies coming off their first run not coming to a complete stop but rather cruising back to their grid spot at a whooping 30mph, with over 250 people walking thats definately not a good thing. I ususally play the 2x's rule, i warn you twice to slow down and maintain the 5mph limit while in grid/paddock, if they do it a third time, kicked off the site. We only had to do this once last year as a guy spun into the grass back to back runs. the fact we stick to our guns though means EVERYONE plays by the rules, and personally I want a 60 car event, more runs lol, we get 4 per day, i run with another region that usually gets about 60 and we get 8 runs.
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we get a large novice turn out each event, probaly only have about 100 regulars that attend every event rain or shine. I think our main issue with safety is rookies coming off their first run not coming to a complete stop but rather cruising back to their grid spot at a whooping 30mph, with over 250 people walking thats definately not a good thing. I ususally play the 2x's rule, i warn you twice to slow down and maintain the 5mph limit while in grid/paddock, if they do it a third time, kicked off the site. We only had to do this once last year as a guy spun into the grass back to back runs. the fact we stick to our guns though means EVERYONE plays by the rules, and personally I want a 60 car event, more runs lol, we get 4 per day, i run with another region that usually gets about 60 and we get 8 runs.
We emphasize these things to at our driver meetings. I swear sometimes though it seems like a ball peen hammer is the most effective reenforcement tool. Another thing we do is enforce "walking speeds" in the paddock area.

I like a smaller field as well. We always get a minimum of 8 runs. 4 in the morning, 4 in the afternoon.
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a couple posts back someone was relating a few stories about how experienced drivers have over corrected and lost it into a curb/berm/fence, etc.

IN my experience driving I have almost lost it many times, But when things start to go bad, I focus on saving the car (and myself), not on saving the run. Its when people who end up at 11/10ths try to save their run, by major steering corrections to get back on course, that they end up over correcting and totally screwing up. I've had many DNF where I save my self and the run be damned. As much as there MAY have been a problem with course design (i wasnt there, and sometimes its not balck and white). I still lean toward gross driver error for this accident.

One way to look at it (not the only way, but a good point of view) is the way the FAA does. I've heard crashes referred to as "Controlled Flight Into Ground" (ie - nothing wrong with the plane). If there is no mechanical problem with the plane then the FAA considers the cause of the crash pilot error . Rather harsh judgment in some cases...
Saving your butt rather than the run is a great priority!
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