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Old 09-15-2006, 03:36 PM   #11
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^^^The MCS and the SVTF are much closer in wieght, center of gravity, and dimensions than those cars (link talks about STS Civic vs. STS Focus).
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MCS also has an LSD and is all around better than the SVTF in a stock setup.

There is a reason peopl euse that car for GS and not the SVTF...
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hey better then and spi in street modified
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MCS also has an LSD and is all around better than the SVTF in a stock setup.

There is a reason peopl euse that car for GS and not the SVTF...
Yes, but when a particular car wins, people take notice. If an SVT Focus won at Nationals, I bet you a lot of the competition the following year would be comprised of more SVT Foci.
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Old 09-16-2006, 02:24 PM   #15
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Yes, but when a particular car wins, people take notice. If an SVT Focus won at Nationals, I bet you a lot of the competition the following year would be comprised of more SVT Foci.
The only thing is: there has never been a Focus (SVT or otherwise) at the Solo II Nationals.

Also: Per Schroeder, in Grassroots Motorsports Magazine said that "the Mini is the easiest car to drive fast" and he's driven a lot. Best recommendation I can think of.
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Funny.....

Neil R Wilson took 41st in GS in his SVTF
http://www.scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=84

David E Webb took 24th in HS in his Focus:
http://www.scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=42

Jason Kolk took 26th, Ryan Schnackenberg took 27th, Dan Townsend took 36th, and Van Townsend took 37th in SM in Focuses
http://www.scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=83

ALL at the 2005 Solo II Nationals....


The Focus and the SVTF is not a viable competitor on a national level in just about ANY class.

Like I said.....there's a reason people aren't using the car on a national level. It's just not competitive enough. Too heavy, gearing wrong, not the right suspension.......whatever. People will buy and use the best car for the class if it will give an advantage. The Focus has none.

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Yes, but when a particular car wins, people take notice. If an SVT Focus won at Nationals, I bet you a lot of the competition the following year would be comprised of more SVT Foci.
No......people do their research. At the national level competitors look at LOTS of factors to decide what will be the best car for the class in the following year. An SVTF just won't "win" nationals. A Focus in HS probably won't either.

Remember OmniFocus? It took him driving a MINI to place well enough at nationals. He couldn't compete in HS in his Focus until he drove a borrowed MINI.......
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You misunderstood our (or at least my) intent. I didn't say it was a winner; I was simply adding to Aaron's statement about the possibility and that if a driver were to win in the SVT Focus that it could disrupt the Mini craze. On paper, the Mini Cooper S is the better choice. In stock form after driving one for a spirited drive and the SVT Focus afterwards, the Mini Cooper S was clearly set up better. I think the biggest advantage the Mini has besides a better weight and better gearing is simply in its dimensions.

You don't have to post results at Nationals; we know the Mini Cooper S has been dominating and how competitive it is. The Mini Cooper S has the clear advantage, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it's unbeatable in GS.

I also think they missed the factor of size concerning the Civic Si in STS compared to the Focus in the discussion, the narrower and shorter your car is, you can carry much faster slalom speeds with the same grip. I'm not going to be the driver breaking any molds here, so this is all just discussion to me.
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But then it would be a winner, now, wouldn't it?

I wasn't posting the results of Nationals to show the MINI winning. I was posting those results to show that there have been some Focuses at Nationals, since GaryS thinks there has been none.

Oh, and there is a LOT more to it than just a car being "narrower and shorter" for a car to be a contender.
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Yes, if it won it would be a winner. Excuse the sarcasm, but that's just typically the state of being as generally defined for the word, win, for a person, vehicle, etc. that wins - he/she/it is a winner.

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Oh, and there is a LOT more to it than just a car being "narrower and shorter" for a car to be a contender.
"I think the biggest advantage the Mini has besides a better weight and better gearing..."

I know; I didn't say that was the only thing to it. Just because I make an addition to the points being made doesn't mean I'm excluding other reasons for the vehicle's driving dynamics and class winning performance.

It's a poor oversight still. An MCS or Si does not have to travel the same distance to get around or between cones as the overall larger Focus does. That means less time scrubbed off due to not having to travel that extra distance or drive that much slower to assure proper clearance through the cones. The shorter wheelbase also gives both cars a quicker steering response as well as quicker transitional movements.
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Funny.....

Neil R Wilson took 41st in GS in his SVTF
http://www.scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=84

David E Webb took 24th in HS in his Focus:
http://www.scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=42

Jason Kolk took 26th, Ryan Schnackenberg took 27th, Dan Townsend took 36th, and Van Townsend took 37th in SM in Focuses
http://www.scca.com/Event/Result.asp?Ref2=83

ALL at the 2005 Solo II Nationals....
Well CRAP! The only year I missed.


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The Focus and the SVTF is not a viable competitor on a national level in just about ANY class.

Like I said.....there's a reason people aren't using the car on a national level. It's just not competitive enough. Too heavy, gearing wrong, not the right suspension.......whatever. People will buy and use the best car for the class if it will give an advantage. The Focus has none.



No......people do their research. At the national level competitors look at LOTS of factors to decide what will be the best car for the class in the following year. An SVTF just won't "win" nationals. A Focus in HS probably won't either.
Well put.

In spite of this I will probably be driving my ZX3 in STS next season. My Miata is over 16 years old and will be retired from autocross duty when its last set of Kumhos is gone. No better than I drive I figure I can do as well in the Focus in STS as I was doing in the Miata in CSP.

I won't be running at Nationals again. As fun as it is (and it is fun) finishing at, or near, the bottom of my class gets old after awhile.
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