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Old 07-09-2013, 12:04 PM   #1
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2012 SEL 5 Speed VS 2013 SE DCT

Hi guys,

So I have a 2012 SEL 5 speed which I absolutely love, which is now at the body shop for paint on the bumper and fender because of some jerk making a left turn in front of me.

I did get a 2013 SE DCT rental, and was pretty excited to test it. I had read so many problems with the DCT on here, I was looking to try it out myself. This rental has about 30,000 km on it, and the DCT made no grinding or any noises of sorts. I did find it a bit fumbly though, but hard throtte imputs were very much loved. :P

I have to say that I have been driving manual cars for 10 years now, so definitely not of fan of auto's. I did not find the DCT to be that bad though, everything worked just fine. I do miss my 5 speed though.

I find the sound my engine makes is much nicer, not sure if the transmission affects this, but mine definitely growls so nicely, it's almost an aural orgasm! :D haha

Other than that, handling on my SEL is better due to sport suspension and 17 inch rims. And I really like MFT more than the base model! MFT has been basically flawless for me...Missing my leather seats and steering wheel too....

It is nice to compare though! I noticed many improvements over the trim levels...


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Old 07-09-2013, 12:22 PM   #2
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In general the DCT is fine, sure people have had bad ones, but based on sales numbers there are not that many complaints compared to the number of cars on the road
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In general the DCT is fine, sure people have had bad ones, but based on sales numbers there are not that many complaints compared to the number of cars on the road
Actually there has been enough for Ford to come out and state their is a problem with the DCT and MFT systems so that's a step is fixing those with issues. This forum is filled with threads about the DCT issues and is the #1 complaint of the MK3 and even the car rags recommend avoiding it.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:20 PM   #4
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Any manual transmission in a non-sports car is a rarity now in the USA. I am glad i have a manual tranny in my 2012 Focus.
I live in the Milwaukee metro area of 1.5 million, with over two dozen Ford dealers.. And when i was looking for a new Focus with manual tranny, not one to be had anywhere in the local area.(excepta few base sedans in silver or black)
To find ONE with the features i wanted I had to do a search for a 100 mile radius (including the nearby Chicago metro area to my South) .. How many Show up??? (all i searched was manual, yellow, sport package) My baby had the black painted 17's and moonroof added in.
ONE! Only one showed up at all.. and that was the other way.. up north in a little town 60 miles away.
I contacted them and bought the car the same day.
Still have not seen another one with the features i have almost two years later.
I blame the dealers for refusing to preorder 'unusual' cars for fear they will not fly out the dealership doors.
Anyway I love my manual tranny Focus.
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Any manual transmission in a non-sports car is a rarity now in the USA. I am glad i have a manual tranny in my 2012 Focus.
I live in the Milwaukee metro area of 1.5 million, with over two dozen Ford dealers.. And when i was looking for a new Focus with manual tranny, not one to be had anywhere in the local area.(excepta few base sedans in silver or black)
To find ONE with the features i wanted I had to do a search for a 100 mile radius (including the nearby Chicago metro area to my South) .. How many Show up??? (all i searched was manual, yellow, sport package) My baby had the black painted 17's and moonroof added in.
ONE! Only one showed up at all.. and that was the other way.. up north in a little town 60 miles away.
I contacted them and bought the car the same day.
Still have not seen another one with the features i have almost two years later.
I blame the dealers for refusing to preorder 'unusual' cars for fear they will not fly out the dealership doors.
Anyway I love my manual tranny Focus.
You think you had it bad, I live in Central Florida, but picked my car up in Minneapolis. Granted, some of that had to do with local dealers practicing things I don't believe in, but still...
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:49 PM   #6
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Any manual transmission in a non-sports car is a rarity now in the USA. I am glad i have a manual tranny in my 2012 Focus.
I live in the Milwaukee metro area of 1.5 million, with over two dozen Ford dealers.. And when i was looking for a new Focus with manual tranny, not one to be had anywhere in the local area.(excepta few base sedans in silver or black)
To find ONE with the features i wanted I had to do a search for a 100 mile radius (including the nearby Chicago metro area to my South) .. How many Show up??? (all i searched was manual, yellow, sport package) My baby had the black painted 17's and moonroof added in.
ONE! Only one showed up at all.. and that was the other way.. up north in a little town 60 miles away.
I contacted them and bought the car the same day.
Still have not seen another one with the features i have almost two years later.
I blame the dealers for refusing to preorder 'unusual' cars for fear they will not fly out the dealership doors.
Anyway I love my manual tranny Focus.

When I got my 2011 manual, I had to have it trucked in out of state!
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This forum is filled with threads about the DCT issues and is the #1 complaint of the MK3 and even the car rags recommend avoiding it.
The opinions of the car rags are clearly irrelevant because their comments do not apply to what is rolling off of the assembly line today.
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... I'm thinking the more time goes on, the more of the problems Ford is able to iron out. ...
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The opinions of the car rags are clearly irrelevant because their comments do not apply to what is rolling off of the assembly line today.
That's what some of us thought (and hoped) when the 2013s came out, but then we started seeing owners having the same problems with them as had been seen with the 2012s. What you say should be true, but it's hard to tell whether it really is. Aside from TSBs, any carmaker is not likely to share information about what parts (like sensors, servos, or the oil seals inside the DCT) have been upgraded along the way, or what changes have been made to their proprietary software.
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Only time will tell with what is rolling off the line right this second ...
That means all we can do is wait to see how it goes for new owners of 2014s.

Either way, I'll probably still choose a manual transmission over the DCT. The probability of not getting a defective DCT may be improving, but even on its best behaviour it gets some of the same complaints today as the ones the "car rags" had two years ago:

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... I did get a 2013 SE DCT rental, and was pretty excited to test it. ... the DCT made no grinding or any noises of sorts. I did find it a bit fumbly though ...
Owners have also complained for both early and current builds that SelectShift is slow to respond. (There's probably more I'm forgetting at the moment.)

It's not surprising that it takes longer to teach a computer how to operate a manual transmission (or two at once, in this case) than it does to teach an eager teenager. (I remember getting the hang of it in less than half an hour but it's taking >2 years so for for the DCT in the Focus.)

Some people say they don't like a manual transmission because they drive a lot in slow or stop-and-go traffic, but that's apparently the kind of driving where the current DCT design is at its worst. The computer may have the edge for fast shifts during steady acceleration, but it will be a while before they get as good as humans at all the rest. The TCU can get a lot of information about what the driver is doing (throttle position, steering angle, engine RPM, etc.) but it cannot (yet) see the road ahead, nor read the driver's mind. That will always give the human operator the ability to work the shifter better in many situations.

As long as carmakers are under pressure from the government and lots of buyers to push the limits for fuel economy and emissions, our preferences for better driveability and/or performance probably do not count for much. I don't expect some of what's wrong with the DCT to change until/unless tuners get into it. (That probably won't help us who live in California, though.)
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The opinions of the car rags are clearly irrelevant because their comments do not apply to what is rolling off of the assembly line today.
yep hindsight. also many reviews just parrot other reviews because the guys putting together the articles don't actually drive the cars. so you say something a couple of times and it becomes fact.
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Actually there has been enough for Ford to come out and state their is a problem with the DCT and MFT systems so that's a step is fixing those with issues. This forum is filled with threads about the DCT issues and is the #1 complaint of the MK3 and even the car rags recommend avoiding it.
Ford's CEO made this admission months and months ago with little to no DCT progress apparent since then. So either: he wasn't being truthful about the urgency for a fix or it's a helluva problem for which Ford hasn't found a solution.

We all know the old saying: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
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