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Old 06-13-2013, 09:50 AM   #1
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**synthetic or not?

Hi All, I'm new to this forum, I have a 2011 Focus SES that I bought new, I just hit 61,000 miles and I'm thinking of changing to synthetic oil, is there any benefits to this? I've been using conventional oil every 3k miles since new so I'm looking for some feedback, I'm intending on keeping this car as long as I can, any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!


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Old 06-13-2013, 10:46 AM   #2
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Do the synth. Dino oil at 3K intervals means you have a very very clean engine and at only 61K means it is likely in great shape.

I'd do full synthetic and change at 6k+ intervals. Do an oil analysis and you would probably find you could go 10K intervals, maybe more before the oil approaches it's wear out point.
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If you want to extend you oil change intervals then synthetic is the way to go. If you are going to change it at 3-5000 mile intervals then any quality dino oil will do just fine. I personally use the Motorcraft semi syn and change at 5000 miles and my engine is spotless inside after 114000 miles on my '03
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I change oil 2 times a year running Amsoil full synthetic. Oil costs 8$ per quart but is good for 12,000 miles. Check Amsoil.com.
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thanks guys, great info, this car runs great and gets 30 mpg regularly, I'm hoping to get many more miles out of it. Thanks again!
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synthetic is the way to go, it flows better and is an oil designed for cars. if you were to do this in a beat up engine, the oil would likely find small holes to leak out of since it is thinner, but you are more than likely okay switching. there aren't any real benefits for our smaller non-performance cars, but it can't hurt. you could even switch to 50/50, or any other mix synth/conventional.
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synthetic doesn't leak out because it's thinner, it has a seal swell value of <1 so nitrile and other seals shrink. Conventional oil has just over 1.0 and the "high mileage" oils are a little higher
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synthetic is the way to go, it flows better and is an oil designed for cars. if you were to do this in a beat up engine, the oil would likely find small holes to leak out of since it is thinner, but you are more than likely okay switching. there aren't any real benefits for our smaller non-performance cars, but it can't hurt. you could even switch to 50/50, or any other mix synth/conventional.
Yes, there are benefits. It more evenly coats engine components and thus reduces wear. It also remains stable at a molecular level for a much longer period, which also reduces engine wear.

It's designed to make engines last longer and be able to run them harder. It's good for any car engine. not just performance vehicles. :)
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No oil should ever be changed by how many miles are on it, and a change schedule should never be determined by what the internet recommends.



There is only 1 correct way to find out how far you can push change intervals safely, Used Oil Analysis. This is where you take a sample of new oil and samples at various times to find out the condition of the oil at that point in time and the condition of the oil. You mail it in and they mail back recommendations.

My gripe with mile ratings is that no one is stating their typical driving style, routes or anything. You don't know if they do 90% stop and go or lots of highway driving. That all makes a big difference.
Basing oil changes on run time hours is more accurate, but not exact. Running hours figures that the oil has seen near the same amount of contaminates. Think hours run vs 30mph average over 3,000 miles (100 hours) vs 60mph average (50 hours). Significant difference there.


Spend the maybe $50 to find out how far you can push oil. In the long run it will save you money if you stick to the schedule.
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No oil should ever be changed by how many miles are on it, and a change schedule should never be determined by what the internet recommends.



There is only 1 correct way to find out how far you can push change intervals safely, Used Oil Analysis. This is where you take a sample of new oil and samples at various times to find out the condition of the oil at that point in time and the condition of the oil. You mail it in and they mail back recommendations.

My gripe with mile ratings is that no one is stating their typical driving style, routes or anything. You don't know if they do 90% stop and go or lots of highway driving. That all makes a big difference.
lifecycle and service Basing oil changes on run time hours is more accurate, but not exact. Running hours figures that the oil has seen near the same amount of contaminates. Think hours run vs 30mph average over 3,000 miles (100 hours) vs 60mph average (50 hours). Significant difference there.


Spend the maybe $50 to find out how far you can push oil. In the long run it will save you money if you stick to the schedule.
Not correct and I couldn't disagree more. I was a lab oil test engineer for a major oil company.

Specifically, forum members should follow manufacturers service recommendations instead of listening to somebody telling them to "push" oil service intervals based upon oil sample test results. That is a bizarre, reactive method and bad approach. Modern synthetics will last well beyond mfr recommended intervals even when seeing the most extreme taxi or police severe duty use. Follow the recommendations and the motor will far outlast the chassis (300K+ mi). This has been my experience since 1980 when I began using 100% synthetics. Spending $50 for an oil sampling analysis (trying to extend intervals) is totally stupid, especially when #1 premium synthetic oils with filter can be purchased for $35. Changing oil twice as often as recommended is cheaper than doing oil tests and will provide better protection. Wear varies with seasons, temps and countless other variables. Taking action based upon oil test results is a totally reactive measure. Wear and impurities can't be reversed. It is better to avoid it thru more frequent oil changes. Taxi runtime per mile is worse than other duty and police cars are flogged with acceptable lifecycle.
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