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View Poll Results: do you wish you had gotten a stick instead of the DCT?
heck yeah. i hate the DCT 17 37.78%
no way. love the DCT. sticks are for kids 28 62.22%
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:02 PM   #1
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this is for folks who drive a DCT. knowing what you know now would you go back in time and get a stick instead?


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Old 02-21-2013, 11:14 PM   #2
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"Sticks are for kids".. I HAVE to comment.
I am a 63 year old woman, and I drive a manual transmission car.
I would not own an automatic transmission vehicle. It has to have a clutch. Period.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:21 PM   #3
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"Sticks are for kids".. I HAVE to comment.
I am a 63 year old woman, and I drive a manual transmission car.
I would not own an automatic transmission vehicle. It has to have a clutch. Period.
Correction it would have to have a clutch pedal for manual actuation of said clutch in order to be fully manual.

There are a lot of automated manuals around these days, the PowerShift 6DCT250 being one that has two clutches. Ergo its mechanically more a manual transmission with the software controlling the shifts and the clutch application rather than being a planetary automatic transmission with a torque converter.

6DCT250>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6F35 to me.

However had they made a proper 6 gear manual available with a sufficiently tall overdrive ratio it would be tempting. Had I not gotten my Frosted Glass SEL I may have waited for an Ingot silver ST with the 6MT but it would have cost at least 2-4k more in the end due to giving up the rebates and other incentives for the performance version.

They wouldn't sell a car with a manual and Frosted Glass with rear disk brakes for the U.S., only Canada could get the SEL with the 5MT.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:43 PM   #4
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Correction it would have to have a clutch pedal for manual actuation of said clutch in order to be fully manual.

There are a lot of automated manuals around these days, the PowerShift 6DCT250 being one that has two clutches. Ergo its mechanically more a manual transmission with the software controlling the shifts and the clutch application rather than being a planetary automatic transmission with a torque converter.

6DCT250>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6F35 to me.

However had they made a proper 6 gear manual available with a sufficiently tall overdrive ratio it would be tempting. Had I not gotten my Frosted Glass SEL I may have waited for an Ingot silver ST with the 6MT but it would have cost at least 2-4k more in the end due to giving up the rebates and other incentives for the performance version.

They wouldn't sell a car with a manual and Frosted Glass with rear disk brakes for the U.S., only Canada could get the SEL with the 5MT.
there's no way we're going back in time so let's just pretend that your car was available with a stick .
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However had they made a proper 6 gear manual available with a sufficiently tall overdrive ratio it would be tempting.
Seriously, suss, you're the first person I've ever heard of that didn't buy a stick because the top gear ratio wasn't tall enough.
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Seriously, suss, you're the first person I've ever heard of that didn't buy a stick because the top gear ratio wasn't tall enough.
Its not the only reason, but given my last car with a manual was 18 years old and had essentially the same 5th gear and axle ratios the car would be spinning at a similar engine speed at 70 mph as confirmed by running the gear ratio vs vehicle speed calculations factoring in the rolling radius of the tire and the other factors.

I know the Focus would have been quieter at 3000 rpm having a brand new exhaust system and no exhaust manifold leaks, but since the newer car would weigh in at nearly 500 lbs more the city fuel economy would suffer on the low end every time you have to accelerate that additional mass up to speed.

As nice as the MTX-75 is, and I had driven one around a small steering and handling loop in Dearborn at an SAE conference that was held at the Dearborn Development Center, I didn't want to be running the engine at around 3000 rpm all the time just to do 70 mi/hr on the expressway. The DCT does just over 2600 rpm at 70, and is closer to 3000 rpm at 80 mph. That's the advantage of gearing for you.

Had they kept the axle ratio the same but added a 6th gear with a numerically lower (taller) gear ratio to match the DCT the real world fuel economy could have been even better as well.

The MMT6 in the ST has a taller secondary final drive, but a much shorter 6th gear ratio which means that over all it would still not be as efficient as the DCT or have the engine spinning quite as slowly if applied to the NA GDI engine.

I was kind of conflicted about the DCT vs the 5MT at the time, but so far knock on HSLA (High Strength Low Alloy) steel, the DCT has done well so far over the past 11.xK miles.

The 5MT would have been cheaper on the SE, but it would not have been available due to packaging restrictions the way I wanted without changing the paint color from Frosted Glass to either Ingot Silver or Sterling Grey.

I had been going back and forth between getting a lower level S/SE with a manual, possibly in sedan form, or going for the hatchback and getting it equipped a bit nicer than I was initially expecting to be able to get. However the SEL was only ever available with the manual in Canada.

So I could have gone either way initially, although now I'm not sure I would go for a 5 speed manual at the moment. I do however tend to shift the DCT manually quite frequently just because I can.
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Its not the only reason, but given my last car with a manual was 18 years old and had essentially the same 5th gear and axle ratios the car would be spinning at a similar engine speed at 70 mph as confirmed by running the gear ratio vs vehicle speed calculations factoring in the rolling radius of the tire and the other factors.

I know the Focus would have been quieter at 3000 rpm having a brand new exhaust system and no exhaust manifold leaks, but since the newer car would weigh in at nearly 500 lbs more the city fuel economy would suffer on the low end every time you have to accelerate that additional mass up to speed.

As nice as the MTX-75 is, and I had driven one around a small steering and handling loop in Dearborn at an SAE conference that was held at the Dearborn Development Center, I didn't want to be running the engine at around 3000 rpm all the time just to do 70 mi/hr on the expressway. The DCT does just over 2600 rpm at 70, and is closer to 3000 rpm at 80 mph. That's the advantage of gearing for you.

Had they kept the axle ratio the same but added a 6th gear with a numerically lower (taller) gear ratio to match the DCT the real world fuel economy could have been even better as well.

The MMT6 in the ST has a taller secondary final drive, but a much shorter 6th gear ratio which means that over all it would still not be as efficient as the DCT or have the engine spinning quite as slowly if applied to the NA GDI engine.

I was kind of conflicted about the DCT vs the 5MT at the time, but so far knock on HSLA (High Strength Low Alloy) steel, the DCT has done well so far over the past 11.xK miles.

The 5MT would have been cheaper on the SE, but it would not have been available due to packaging restrictions the way I wanted without changing the paint color from Frosted Glass to either Ingot Silver or Sterling Grey.

I had been going back and forth between getting a lower level S/SE with a manual, possibly in sedan form, or going for the hatchback and getting it equipped a bit nicer than I was initially expecting to be able to get. However the SEL was only ever available with the manual in Canada.

So I could have gone either way initially, although now I'm not sure I would go for a 5 speed manual at the moment. I do however tend to shift the DCT manually quite frequently just because I can.
Quite a thesis there.
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"Sticks are for kids".. I HAVE to comment.
I am a 63 year old woman, and I drive a manual transmission car.
I would not own an automatic transmission vehicle. It has to have a clutch. Period.
you are definitely in the minority but if you aren't driving a DCT this poll does not pertain to you !
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:02 AM   #9
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"Sticks are for kids".. I HAVE to comment.
I am a 63 year old woman, and I drive a manual transmission car.
I would not own an automatic transmission vehicle. It has to have a clutch. Period.
Very Much Respect! Rep points headed your way!
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:37 PM   #10
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"Sticks are for kids".. I HAVE to comment.
I am a 63 year old woman, and I drive a manual transmission car.
I would not own an automatic transmission vehicle. It has to have a clutch. Period.

LOL! Given the comments, most being in jest, about those who drive manual vs auto, a little joke about stick isn't that bad. Relax and enjoy your strong left leg!
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