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Old 08-30-2012, 01:29 AM   #1
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6-Speed PowerShift - 2013 Any Better?

Considering buying a new Focus SE Sport. I like to shift for myself but I must admit in these days of cell-phones and traffic jams that automatics are less of a hassle. I've heard so much bad press about the 6-speed PowerShift and I just wonder if it has gotten any better with the 2013 model year. I saw a video on YouTube of a 2012 and it looked like when you're taking it easy the transmission likes to keep the engine revs at about 1,000 rpm! Seems like that would be really annoying to have it jump about three gears every time you get on the gas.

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Old 08-30-2012, 10:47 AM   #2
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Considering buying a new Focus SE Sport. I like to shift for myself but I must admit in these days of cell-phones and traffic jams that automatics are less of a hassle. I've heard so much bad press about the 6-speed PowerShift and I just wonder if it has gotten any better with the 2013 model year. I saw a video on YouTube of a 2012 and it looked like when you're taking it easy the transmission likes to keep the engine revs at about 1,000 rpm! Seems like that would be really annoying to have it jump about three gears every time you get on the gas.

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Well, I have never experienced it jumping three gears and havent heard anyone complain about it either. The Focus has plenty of torque to quickly pull you intothe optimal power band without having to downshift a bunch. Lower the rpms when taking it easy the better the fuel economy is going to be. Anyway, powershift has recieved significant updates over the past year. Imo, powershift never really had a problem, besides it could of been a little faster with shifts, it was really all public perception. Being used to smooth, slow shifting, lathargic, no feedback, torque converter automatics, people thought something was wrong when theyd feel their automatic shifting, especially at low gears (you know, just like manual trans). It wasnt that these cars were leaving people stranded at the side of the road, or blowing up, or chewing up gears, it was all really public opinion on how an automatic should be. And I think its kind of ridiculous for the media to be ripping down Fords credibilty and quality and listing it as something terrible (Consumer Reports) when there really wasnt anything seriously wring with it.

But to answer your question, 2013 should be just fine, I believe they smoothed out the shifts some and made them a tad quicker.
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Seems like that would be really annoying to have it jump about three gears every time you get on the gas.
For the record, if I really want to pass someone in the SVT, I'll drop to 3rd..

And agreed on the Powershift being mostly a problem with public perception and lack of proper education for/by salespersons... "It's jerky at 1/2 mph! It rolls backwards! It downshifts funny! I was told it was an automatic! It's the devil!"
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I noticed the same thing the first time I drove a VW GTI. I guess I'll just have to drive the auto Focus to see if it bothers me. I hate an automatic that hunts for gears, but if it doesn't do that we should get along fine.

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All this makes me wonder why Ford picked a DCT over a more conventional automatic.
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All this makes me wonder why Ford picked a DCT over a more conventional automatic.
Greater mechanical efficiency, as well as better driving dynamics and greater feel. There is nothing wrong with the DCT from a technical stand point, although they really needed to better inform the customers at the dealership level what it is and why its different.

From a stop it feels like it takes a fraction of a second depending on how aggressive you are with the gas as the car needs to apply the clutch in first gear. It drives so much better than the 6F35 ever could, no slush box can match the mechanical feel of a vehicle with a clutch and the DCT has two of them.
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Greater mechanical efficiency, as well as better driving dynamics and greater feel. There is nothing wrong with the DCT from a technical stand point, although they really needed to better inform the customers at the dealership level what it is and why its different.
Well that's just wrong. If that were true there wouldn't have been multiple software "fixes" or, as Motor Trend reported, "some rolling changes to the hardware that have been rolled out on more recently built cars, including revised "long-shoulder rivets" in the clutch itself". Insinuating that there have been other hardware changes we don't know about to try to address the DCT's erratic behavior.
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Well that's just wrong. If that were true there wouldn't have been multiple software "fixes" or, as Motor Trend reported, "some rolling changes to the hardware that have been rolled out on more recently built cars, including revised "long-shoulder rivets" in the clutch itself". Insinuating that there have been other hardware changes we don't know about to try to address the DCT's erratic behavior.
Note I said with the dct as in the concept, not necessarily this particular execution, although mine has not given me any problems to date, even if I switch from driving with a lighter foot or playing with manual mode to going flat out to anything in between. Occasionally it does feel like a manual with a heavy flywheel, but that's usually only in manual mode in low gears coasting down in heavy traffic, which is where I'd expect it to behave this way. In D or S auto it does not behave that way and tends to be very smooth. Way better than any torque converter automatic that Ford had ever put in any FWD car. I like mine and have no real complaints about it.

Manufacturing process changes and hardware changes indicate that there was a concern with the original parts, but not necessarily that they were defective. Software updates to try and mimic a conventional automatic and appease the general public were deemed necessary if they wanted to continue to sell it as a normal automatic. Since the majority of people who buy cars with an automatic transmission expect it to behave exactly like the torque converter backed standard auto gearbox since that's what they are used to. So they tend to creep forward in traffic and expect the car not to roll back on a hill ever. Even though in a manual these things are expected and one needs to compensate for them. This is also why if you were to creep up a hill at low speeds for a long time they warned that you may burn the clutch out so they put in the transmission hot, stop warnings, et al.
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Note I said with the dct as in the concept, not necessarily this particular execution...
No you didn't man. You said technically there is nothing wrong with Ford's DCT. And you routinely (along with many others) blame all the DCT's issues on a malinformed public. You're expressing your opinion, and that's fine, got no problem with that, but it is an opinion.

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Manufacturing process changes and hardware changes indicate that there was a concern with the original parts, but not necessarily that they were defective. Software updates to try and mimic a conventional automatic and appease the general public were deemed necessary if they wanted to continue to sell it as a normal automatic.
Yeah I pay no attention to those complaining about roll back on hills and lack of creep and the like. I totally agree there are some acceptable traits of the DCT that are different than TC trannies. But I'm talking about shift quality, which really should've been 99% baked from day 1 out of the factory. But there are many posters who have reported after 12B37 that their overall shift quality was vastly improved. Why would shift quality improve after an update if it was designed merely to address hill roll back and creep traits? It's clear that Ford is issuing updates to address real shift quality issues.

Then there are those like me whose shift quality notably worsened after the update. Again, why should it get noticeably worse after an update that was supposedly just to adress hill roll back and creep and such.

As for hardware, Motor Trend reported that the "revised long-shoulder rivets" were added to reduce chatter/vibration during launch. That indicates to me a design flaw that was not caught during testing.

Just my opinion...
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Note I said with the dct as in the concept, not necessarily this particular execution, although mine has not given me any problems to date, even if I switch from driving with a lighter foot or playing with manual mode to going flat out to anything in between. Occasionally it does feel like a manual with a heavy flywheel, but that's usually only in manual mode in low gears coasting down in heavy traffic, which is where I'd expect it to behave this way. In D or S auto it does not behave that way and tends to be very smooth. Way better than any torque converter automatic that Ford had ever put in any FWD car. I like mine and have no real complaints about it.

Manufacturing process changes and hardware changes indicate that there was a concern with the original parts, but not necessarily that they were defective. Software updates to try and mimic a conventional automatic and appease the general public were deemed necessary if they wanted to continue to sell it as a normal automatic. Since the majority of people who buy cars with an automatic transmission expect it to behave exactly like the torque converter backed standard auto gearbox since that's what they are used to. So they tend to creep forward in traffic and expect the car not to roll back on a hill ever. Even though in a manual these things are expected and one needs to compensate for them. This is also why if you were to creep up a hill at low speeds for a long time they warned that you may burn the clutch out so they put in the transmission hot, stop warnings, et al.

"not necessarily this execution " ?
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