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Old 07-24-2012, 05:11 PM   #1
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Flex Fuel...Why?

I've always understood what flex fuel cars were, but this is my first time owning one so now I pay more attention to it.

I am very curious as to WHY have a car that can run off E85?

It gets worse fuel mileage. It seems to be cheaper, but the lower MPG negates that. It's much more corrosive. And it's not like there's an ethanol station at every corner. I doubt too many people will be in the scenario of desperately needing gas and there not being a gas station nearby, but hey, "there's an ethanol station over there".

What is the point of Flex Fuel?


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Old 07-24-2012, 05:22 PM   #2
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I've always understood what flex fuel cars were, but this is my first time owning one so now I pay more attention to it.

I am very curious as to WHY have a car that can run off E85?

It gets worse fuel mileage. It seems to be cheaper, but the lower MPG negates that. It's much more corrosive. And it's not like there's an ethanol station at every corner. I doubt too many people will be in the scenario of desperately needing gas and there not being a gas station nearby, but hey, "there's an ethanol station over there".

What is the point of Flex Fuel?
Besides the fact that the manufacturers got CAFE credits towards their fuel economy, as they got to count only the 15% of the fuel that was gasoline in their cafe mpg figures?

Well there is the fact that if the EPA and the government try to force more ethanol in regular gas its better to have the car calibrated to run on it than getting screwed out of being able to drive on account of not being able to get fuel.

The point was that the manufacturers got to make a cheap change that increased their cafe scores and gained them credits to use towards delaying progress in improving the actual fuel economy of the cars.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:14 PM   #3
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Well there is the fact that if the EPA and the government try to force more ethanol in regular gas its better to have the car calibrated to run on it than getting screwed out of being able to drive on account of not being able to get fuel.

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During World War II, gas was rationed... as it was during the 1970s as well, but for different reasons... since then I've seen SUVs being hawked and paraded around, with little done to consciously conserve what is a valuable fuel source... I'm surprised we don't ration nowadays, but who would believe the reasons behind doing so?

Is government basing its choices and what it is "forcing" solely on its own research, unfettered by lobbyists or other invested interests? Or are corn farmers and other interested industries compelling government?

That aside, from what little I've read -- Ethanol is claimed to be a net loss fuel. Not because one can use it as a foodstuff, but because of the amount of energy needed to grow and harvest it is more than what a converted fuel can provide... which includes petrochemical fertilizers and gas-powered vehicles to more efficiently harvest the stuff since nobody wants to pick it for 10 cents per hour...

The government could be looking at algae or other materials... even hydrogen, which is abundant but if mishandled could be too explosive for safe use - unfortunately... I wonder if algae could even be collected and converted... people talk about it but there's not much in the way of actual development... but corn is still being used, so there are clearly other factors I am not aware of...
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Also, ethanol is a renewable source of energy, so the efficiency isn't as important as far as gas mileage is concerned. People want better mileage now because we have this whole energy crisis with oil, but you give me a bigger gas tank and cheaper ethanol, and the fact that they end up negating the differences in cost vs efficiency means that it doesn't matter.
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Also, ethanol is a renewable source of energy, so the efficiency isn't as important as far as gas mileage is concerned. People want better mileage now because we have this whole energy crisis with oil, but you give me a bigger gas tank and cheaper ethanol, and the fact that they end up negating the differences in cost vs efficiency means that it doesn't matter.
we cannot grow enough corn to fully replace oil, if every car used E85 we would run out really fast.
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we cannot grow enough corn to fully replace oil, if every car used E85 we would run out really fast.
Especially with a summer like we've had across the country. How do you make fuel when corn doesn't grow period?
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I would've preferred to have gotten a E85 Focus just for the peace of mind because of the Ethanol in regular fuel and there has been some talk to increase the Ethanol content in regular fuel. The Liberals are ruining everyones cars just because they wanna save the environment. But the oil companies will play along just because they are saving millions by using less regular gas and using cheaper Ethanol, they made even more money when Obama gave oil companies money to use Ethanol in regular fuel.

I believe the Tax Payers should have a choice in fuel. Since its my car and I don't want to ruin it just to please the bleeding heart Liberals.
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:20 AM   #8
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Knock off the Liberal stuff

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I would've preferred to have gotten a E85 Focus just for the peace of mind because of the Ethanol in regular fuel and there has been some talk to increase the Ethanol content in regular fuel. The Liberals are ruining everyones cars just because they wanna save the environment. But the oil companies will play along just because they are saving millions by using less regular gas and using cheaper Ethanol, they made even more money when Obama gave oil companies money to use Ethanol in regular fuel.

I believe the Tax Payers should have a choice in fuel. Since its my car and I don't want to ruin it just to please the bleeding heart Liberals.
Knock off the liberal bashing stuff please, your side has plenty to account for, like 4500 dead in Iraq that did not need to be in a war for the texas shrub and 5 deferment draft dodger cheney.
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:36 PM   #9
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I would've preferred to have gotten a E85 Focus just for the peace of mind because of the Ethanol in regular fuel and there has been some talk to increase the Ethanol content in regular fuel. The Liberals are ruining everyones cars just because they wanna save the environment. But the oil companies will play along just because they are saving millions by using less regular gas and using cheaper Ethanol, they made even more money when Obama gave oil companies money to use Ethanol in regular fuel.

I believe the Tax Payers should have a choice in fuel. Since its my car and I don't want to ruin it just to please the bleeding heart Liberals.
sorry to burst ur bubble but being liberal has nothing to do w/ ethanol policy in this country... GW and his republican congress expanded the program more than any other administration had done... gov't in general is to blame not any one party.
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Especially with a summer like we've had across the country. How do you make fuel when corn doesn't grow period?
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