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Old 12-02-2011, 03:11 PM   #1
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Focus vs Elantra Mileage Claims

Hyundai is being called out on their EPA mileage claims. Angry Elantra owners have reported much worse actual mileage than what Hyundai advertises. Some journalists also did a back to back comparison of a non-SFE Focus and the so called 40mpg Elantra, and the Focus blew the Hyundai away in highway mileage.

Consumer Outfit Rips Hyundai Elantra's Gas Mileage Rating



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Old 12-02-2011, 03:15 PM   #2
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So what's the surprise? Hehe
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:20 PM   #3
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Hmm...must be all that "style" holding it back, what with more curves than a roadkill rattler...the air has to chage direction 20 times just to get to the back of the car...

The Hyundai rep actually pointed the finger at the consumer here?? "The numbers are the numbers, and the tests are the tests....you can reach the MPG numbers unless you 'drive it like a maniac'" who hired this guy for PR??
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Maybe it's because Elantra owners drive like ssholes?
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We reached out to Hyundai spokesman Jim Trainor for comment, and he backed Elantra's rating. "The numbers are the numbers and the tests are the tests," he said. He says the mileage ratings are achievable unless "you drive like a maniac."**

**drive like a maniac = accelerate to 60 in less than 20 seconds, regularly drive in temps below 70 degrees, and venture off of the free-flowing freeways and highways for more than 5% of your driving. [just kidding]

But it's good to see that people are at least attempting to hold car mfgrs accountable for their claims. I've seen enough complaints on this forum for the new Focus, too. Maybe car makers will have to include an asterik that leads to an explanation about "under perfect conditions and with good, steady regular tailwinds" or something...

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But it's good to see that people are at least attempting to hold car mfgrs accountable for their claims.
Isn't this EPA testing related? (I'm not sure how all that jazz works...)

Edit: I don't think the manufacturers really know the EPA tests in detail, but perhaps the Elantra was (by chance) tuned best for the EPA test and not the real world?
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Isn't this EPA testing related? (I'm not sure how all that jazz works...)

Edit: I don't think the manufacturers really know the EPA tests in detail, but perhaps the Elantra was (by chance) tuned best for the EPA test and not the real world?
The actual testing is done by the manufacturers based on an EPA protocol. I believe the EPA may re-test an occasional model from a manufacturer but certainly not all. There are pretty significant penalties for fudging on these tests.

To your other point, the manufacturers know the test very well and of course tune their cars to get the best results. One doesn't have to be too cynical to suspect they do this even if it compromises drivability or real-world economy.
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Isn't this EPA testing related? (I'm not sure how all that jazz works...)

Edit: I don't think the manufacturers really know the EPA tests in detail, but perhaps the Elantra was (by chance) tuned best for the EPA test and not the real world?
Yeah, that could possibly be. And it sounds like it is an uproar from owners that is leading to the current publicity.
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

There's a powerpoint slide type thing that explains how the EPA does it...straight from the horse's mouth...

Note that if you click "schedule" on one of the slides, it shows you the actual driving...pattern...they use.

Also note, the "highway" test's AVERAGE speed is 48.3mph...

The "high speed" test average speed is 48.37mph...
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml

There's a powerpoint slide type thing that explains how the EPA does it...straight from the horse's mouth...

Note that if you click "schedule" on one of the slides, it shows you the actual driving...pattern...they use.

Also note, the "highway" test's AVERAGE speed is 48.3mph...

The "high speed" test average speed is 48.37mph...
Yeah but have you ever tried to get an average speed above 48 without hitting reset on that function once you were at speed (not counting trips that are really long) Its TOUGH!
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