I 2nd that too ^^^^^. I fine that they fall off for dry grip, having a torsen helps thou. Like was said above, I have these dws's for the wet grip & icy conditions. They are great under hard cornering in wet & rainy conditions. If I didn't have to deal w/ icy crappy roads in the winter, then I'd be on Dunlop star specs.
Introduce Mr. Torsen to the mix
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